2020 Land Cruiser Heritage Edition
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mnofpeace
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I'd rather have the 3rd row...ive always got some 5th or 6th person to tote around...but ill take any 200 LC i can get my hands on, truth be told...
its the ONLY upgrade i can see after my 5th Gen...
Ive even spent way too much time day dreaming about my 'if the lotto hits' auto purchases...
give the T4R to my son who is 13...
and go purchase a 200 LC to sooth my soul
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TRD Pro Taco manual (to ease the mpg hit)
its the ONLY upgrade i can see after my 5th Gen...
Ive even spent way too much time day dreaming about my 'if the lotto hits' auto purchases...
give the T4R to my son who is 13...
and go purchase a 200 LC to sooth my soul
&
TRD Pro Taco manual (to ease the mpg hit)
Thai
Elite Member
There is about a 0.0000000001% chance that the next LC will have a V8. It is TT V6.
Darn. I guess 95% of them will be only on pavement so that makes sense but that would be one of my concerns if I ever bought one. As early and mildly as the turbos kick in, there is a hit and before that hit, there is almost no torque for a heavy vehicle. That makes crawling at low speeds in steep sections very annoying, because there is no torque or too much suddenly. Maybe the LC will do a better job of handing this than, for example, the Expedition. Maybe a 4:1 t-case ratio will help at those crawling speeds and provide enough in 4Lo with no need for turbos. I'm curious to see the new tech in these.
Jetboy
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The turbo setup on the NX is pretty mild. The tune feels very much like a NA engine. But... it's also pretty weak in my experience. I think a turbo 3.5 v6 with the proper gearing could work really well. The 3.5 turbo in the LS500 has a compression ratio of 10.5:1 and a long stroke/small bore. That's an unusual setup for a turbo engine and is pretty obviously heavily weighted toward low rpm power rather than peak power. It should have a great torque curve in the low RPM range. Probably more torque at 1,000 than the current 5.7. And it's very fuel efficient. This is the overlay of the 1UR (4.6 v8) vs the V35A-FTS (3.5 turbo). I'm not fluent in Japanese, but I assume those are both Toyota published output charts.
To me - that looks absolutely fantastic for a truck engine. I think it'll out perform the 3UR across the entire RMP range including off idle. Especially if it's combined with an electric drive system for low speed stuff. The current 8AT has a much lower 1st gear than something like the 4Runner. With the 4.8:1 first vs the 3.5:1 in the A750, it's about like having a 4:1 transfer case in terms of transmission/transfer case combined gearing. The LC200 of course upped the diff ratio IMO a bit too far to 3.30. But that's easy to change. With even 4.30 diffs, you'd have a crawl ratio of 55:1. And still have a really decent overdrive ratio. And gobbs of power throughout the RPM range.
For me - I'll take the V35A.
To me - that looks absolutely fantastic for a truck engine. I think it'll out perform the 3UR across the entire RMP range including off idle. Especially if it's combined with an electric drive system for low speed stuff. The current 8AT has a much lower 1st gear than something like the 4Runner. With the 4.8:1 first vs the 3.5:1 in the A750, it's about like having a 4:1 transfer case in terms of transmission/transfer case combined gearing. The LC200 of course upped the diff ratio IMO a bit too far to 3.30. But that's easy to change. With even 4.30 diffs, you'd have a crawl ratio of 55:1. And still have a really decent overdrive ratio. And gobbs of power throughout the RPM range.
For me - I'll take the V35A.
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Thai
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I am sure that the new engine will be great...like what Jetboy said above. I am sure that Toyota will use a 10-speed auto with the turbo engine...so that should give it some gearing advantages.
My only concern......and it’s a minor one given that this is Toyota and Land Cruiser.......is long-term durability of the engine. But i guess in next few years, we will know more about it from the Lexus LS500 turbo engine and how it holds up.
LandCruiser
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If Toyota wants to go the turbo and 15 speed automatic on road luxo barge route, there are already German luxury SUVs that are in another league. I want something that is body on frame and from the last century if it's going to be a Land Cruiser. Otherwise I'm getting the new Cayenne Coupe.
Thai
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Well, supposedly, the next LC will be more utilitarian (less luxury) and just as capable (if not more) than current LC. BOF and solid rear axle are likely the case for the new LC, based on rumors that i have read.
I have faith in Toyota not screwing up the LC, which has been their flagship for decades. :behindsofa:
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh! Feel like a lot of people will go this route (me included)
LandCruiser
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I have said, on this forum with multiple witnesses, that I will buy TWO of them if that's the case.
Thai
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Good luck finding a decent one! And if you find one with lockers, then good luck finding one that is not abused off-road!
LandCruiser
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My friend found a pristine one then it was destroyed by a Colorado hailstorm.
thennen
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I've heard similar rumors that sounded like Toyota may be considering a move away from so much luxury and more toward capability. I think that would be a wise move considering how under-served that category is.
LandCruiser
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The US is the ONLY market in the world where 4x4 is associated with premium luxury and you can't get an off road vehicle like the TLC as a base model with cloth interior. I blame the Brits and their garbage auto industry that can't even keep smoke from escaping from the electrical components.
With the shift of SUVs to crossovers, I think BOF may see a resurgence and de-luxurizaion. Or they'll just kill all of them off...
thennen
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I hope you're right on the resurgence. It would be nice to see a LC once again (in the USA) that looks like its first purpose has little to do with pavement.
LandCruiser
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I lived in Oz in the early 2000s and had a 70 series wagon, best vehicle I have ever owned. Would buy one if it was ever offered new in the US. Pretty much a bare bones utalitarian vehicle that was built like a tank.
Thai
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At what price range would you expect the new LC300 be?
Because if it is lower, then will it kill the sales of 4runner? Sequoia? GX?
Would someone buy a plasticky interior “work” vehicle for $70k? If so, then how many? Otherwise we end up with the poor sales of current LC.
Assuming that it is over-engineered like previous LCs, would the interior or features be adequate to get people to spend $70k? Remember, my LC200 is $85-88k...........and it has a fairly cheap interior (aka fake wood!). If you assume that it is as over-engineered as mine...with a significant lower price tag, then would you buy it? Maybe the enthusiasts initially...but that is far in between...and Toyota certainly cannot rely on these enthusiasts alone.
How many SUVs have a cheaper interior than what i have now for $70k? My interior is nice and decent quality...but certainly not befitting a $85k car, or even a $70k car!!
Because if it is lower, then will it kill the sales of 4runner? Sequoia? GX?
Would someone buy a plasticky interior “work” vehicle for $70k? If so, then how many? Otherwise we end up with the poor sales of current LC.
Assuming that it is over-engineered like previous LCs, would the interior or features be adequate to get people to spend $70k? Remember, my LC200 is $85-88k...........and it has a fairly cheap interior (aka fake wood!). If you assume that it is as over-engineered as mine...with a significant lower price tag, then would you buy it? Maybe the enthusiasts initially...but that is far in between...and Toyota certainly cannot rely on these enthusiasts alone.
How many SUVs have a cheaper interior than what i have now for $70k? My interior is nice and decent quality...but certainly not befitting a $85k car, or even a $70k car!!
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