oblivionis
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Same Koz as on ClubLexus?
5th Gen vs. 4th Gen ( Full Time 4wd etc.)
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Same Koz as on ClubLexus?
Koz
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Batang.Gapo
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I second that...
oblivionis
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1engineer
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The debate can rage on with no clear winner as owner's preferences vary. The one item that is not in dispute is the most important component on both the 5th and 4th G vehicles: The tires. No matter what, the tires are the final component that makes the whole system a failure or success. Remember: Either 4WD system is ineffective during coasting or braking, which most people do as much as acceleration, which is where the debate on the 4WD system can continue. So everyone, carry on with the opinions but remember: The traction during acceleration starts with the tires and during braking ends with the tires. Have fun!
Uneek
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Very true. With the 5th gen SR5 and TE's part-time 4WD system, you're in 4WD almost instantly after shifting the lever. A moot point with the 5th gen Limited, since it's full-time 4WD.
On the 4th gen, if you're in 2WD (2H) and shifting to 4H, it can take a few seconds or more before shifting to 4WD is completed. But for me, if it's a situation that I know I may be needing 4WD, I would've shifted to 4H early on to avoid waiting for the shifting from 2WD and 4WD to happen when I need that extra traction.
My 4th gen is a V8 -- it's always in 4WD.
oblivionis
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When you loose traction it's a matter of a fraction of a second that you'd need 4WD. No time to be manually switching no matter how quick you think you can do it. If conditions are slippery, before you leave, put it in full-time 4WD and forget about it. No need to worry: am I on try pavement or not.
Koz
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oblivionis
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Trust me, you are not the only one!
:The deletion of the Torsen system from the 4th gen to the 5th has been one of the most cheap skated moves EVER by Toyota.
For many of us out west and in other parts of the country that routinely travel over snow packed roads that transition to dry pavement back to show packed and icy roads, the Torsen system has been an incredible feature.
In my previous 4 x 4 part time Toyota trucks, I've always had to be 'conscious' of this fact and have had to change from 4 x 4 to 2wd whenever the dry pavements began to appear. Im not talking five feet of dry either. Quarter mile plus of dry, to miles of dry, back to snow and icy conditions.
With the Torsen system, it's just drive no matter what conditions are and for-get-about-it!
Coupled with the V8 and the Torsen... my 4Runner eats up the wet, snoy and icy roads like its on rails!
The Torsen system is many times standard equipment on European vehicles costing 50-60-70+ thousands of dollars. My V8 Sport cost me 32K. That's a steal!
As far as I'm concerned, any difference in MPG between a 4th gen V6 and a V8 is negligible!
Plus, I drive a V8, that's smoother, quieter, more powerful and a much better motor than the V6 ever will be!
The 5th gen V6 is a dog, it's slow, lacks acceleration pick up and has virtually no hard throttle response in a positive way and coupled with the lack of the Torsen... it's a no brainer for me to keep this Torsen V8 as long as possible!
oblivionis
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According to Edmunds:
2009 Toyota 4Runner SR5:
•4.0L V6 engine
•Automatic transmission
•Up to 16 cty/21 hwy mpg
2010 Toyota 4Runner SR5:
•4.0L V6 engine
•Automatic transmission
•Up to 18 cty/23 hwy mpg
2009 Toyota 4Runner SR5:
•4.0L V6 engine
•Automatic transmission
•Up to 16 cty/21 hwy mpg
2010 Toyota 4Runner SR5:
•4.0L V6 engine
•Automatic transmission
•Up to 18 cty/23 hwy mpg
westwind77
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Trust me, you are not the only one!
I second that!
I will not argue with your previous comments, but this one I have to! Owning my 5th for almost 2 years now you have to 'know' how to drive it to get it to respond the way you want it to. Every car is different and has a 'learning curve'. I knew someone with a Viper back in the day who sold it because they could not get it out of the garage without burning the tires each time. It was not the Vipers fault. The acceleration time difference between the 4th v8 and the 5th v6 is all but imperceivable to all but a couple tenths of a stopwatch. If you are calling the 5th a dog, well sir, you are calling yours a dog as well. My 99' Dodge SUV had full time 4wd, sure I was sad to see my 10' did not but overall I do not mind it at all. Can I see why you 4th gen v8er's are hesitant, sure, but don't bash the 5th on performance, who knows with the TRD CAI we might be able to get those couple tenths back
I second that!
I will not argue with your previous comments, but this one I have to! Owning my 5th for almost 2 years now you have to 'know' how to drive it to get it to respond the way you want it to. Every car is different and has a 'learning curve'. I knew someone with a Viper back in the day who sold it because they could not get it out of the garage without burning the tires each time. It was not the Vipers fault. The acceleration time difference between the 4th v8 and the 5th v6 is all but imperceivable to all but a couple tenths of a stopwatch. If you are calling the 5th a dog, well sir, you are calling yours a dog as well. My 99' Dodge SUV had full time 4wd, sure I was sad to see my 10' did not but overall I do not mind it at all. Can I see why you 4th gen v8er's are hesitant, sure, but don't bash the 5th on performance, who knows with the TRD CAI we might be able to get those couple tenths back
I usually stay away from the V8 vs V6 debate but with the V8, I don't have to 'pick my places to accelerate' or learn how to drive the vehicle to it's potential.
The vehicle pulls with no hesitancy... the motor is barely 'working' and the 4Runner passes anything... especially if I lock in 4th gear... which keeps me from getting a speeding ticket.
With the V8, especially in the long passes here in Colorado, Wolf Creek, Monarch, Eisenhower Tunnel, Vail Pass, et al... the V8 flies with torque and mph to spare. The motor works at a very low RPM, less noise, less strain.
It's the torque that pulls up the long grades... not the HP.
The Torsen diff keeps all four wheels engaged and adds stability to the ride.
That's why I truly enjoy the V8 and would never trade it for a V6.
As usual... YMMV.
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Koz
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I found that the 5th gen V6 just needs to use more throttle to accelerate (just as fast as the 4th gen). It does have more power then the older V6 (which is negated by the extra weight) and gets better mileage. Toyota needs to get their head out of their ass and put the 4.6 six speed in the 4Runner. I believe the reason there is no V8 is because it would get BETTER gas mileage and Toyota believes people are ONLY looking at cylinders. This would explain the STUPID decision to put a 4 cylinder (that only got 1 or 2 mpg better). My GX is 500 lbs. heavier then the 4Runner and I have gotten 22 mpg on the highway (under perfect conditions, 55 mph, locked up in 6th gear).
Koz
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1engineer
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Trust me, you are not the only one!
The 5th gen V6 is a dog, it's slow, lacks acceleration pick up and has virtually no hard throttle response in a positive way and coupled with the lack of the Torsen... it's a no brainer for me to keep this Torsen V8 as long as possible!
So, how long have you owned your 5thG? Don't have one? I'll ask you the same question I asked repeatedly to docMT: Why are you here in the 5th G section when you don't have one? Oh, just to talk trash...just like docMT. Ok then I can put you on the "ignore list" since you have nothing at all to offer.
fxoffroad
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I get your more horsies thing, but I've not once had any issue going over any MTN pass (including Wolf Creek) or heading up on 70 west of Denver which I do frequently.
What's the difference between the 5th Gen Limited's Torsen and a 4th Gen?
I don't get the whole "defend your vehicle" mentality, regardless of the topic - v6 vs v8, bad reviews, etc. I like my 4R... nuff said.
What's the difference between the 5th Gen Limited's Torsen and a 4th Gen?
I don't get the whole "defend your vehicle" mentality, regardless of the topic - v6 vs v8, bad reviews, etc. I like my 4R... nuff said.
I usually stay away from the V8 vs V6 debate but with the V8, I don't have to 'pick my places to accelerate' or learn how to drive the vehicle to it's potential.
The vehicle pulls with no hesitancy... the motor is barely 'working' and the 4Runner passes anything... especially if I lock in 4th gear... which keeps me from getting a speeding ticket.
With the V8, especially in the long passes here in Colorado, Wolf Creek, Monarch, Eisenhower Tunnel, Vail Pass, et al... the V8 flies with torque and mph to spare. The motor works at a very low RPM, less noise, less strain.
It's the torque that pulls up the long grades... not the HP.
The Torsen diff keeps all four wheels engaged and adds stability to the ride.
That's why I truly enjoy the V8 and would never trade it for a V6.
As usual... YMMV.
Koz
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When I first test drove the 5th gen (No I don't own one) it did feel like a dog but after putting at least half throttle to it, it did wake up. It does have a sluggish feel with little throttle. I think the ignition is tuned that way to get better mileage (hope it was intentional).
Koz
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philsey
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But .... you'll make an exception for us, eh?
