6th gen 2017 4R, will it exist?
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opcorn:20074runnerlimited
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I do hope they put a more suited motor that will get the truck out of its own way. Too slow now.
sn_85
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It won't matter, a 2018 thread will just pop up in its place.
DanHumphrey
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I can't imagine they'll get rid of the Prado, so the question is whether it's worth continuing to slap some new panels on it, go through federalization, and sell it for a profit here in the US. Given its popularity and shrinking competition I expect Toyota to continue, just like with the Tacoma.
The 3.5 will almost certainly still feel gutless, if it does in the new Tacoma. The CAFE-monster must be appeased. I'd also expect it to be a hair smaller and the panels to be much more aero to maybe eke out another mpg highway over the Tacoma. If they do shrink it down it wouldn't surprise me if they nixed the third-row option, which would make federalization cheaper as well.
The 3.5 will almost certainly still feel gutless, if it does in the new Tacoma. The CAFE-monster must be appeased. I'd also expect it to be a hair smaller and the panels to be much more aero to maybe eke out another mpg highway over the Tacoma. If they do shrink it down it wouldn't surprise me if they nixed the third-row option, which would make federalization cheaper as well.
You got that right. I just test drove a Tacoma and 4Runner a few days ago. I had to ask the sales person 4 times during the Tacoma test drive if this was the 6 or 4. I thought I was driving a 4.
On a side note, I bought the 4Runner. I pick it up Saturday (5/28).
NauticalWheeler
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As a hopeful future 6th gen owner, I am praying they continue the 4runner DNA with BoF as well as bring back the V8 as an option with the torsion AWD system. An Atkinson 4.2--4.4L V8 with ~ 340lbs of torque would be sweet. Don't have much interest in the V6 at least based on the test ride I had of a 2014. Too sluggish for me and for towing.
Right now I'm waiting to see what happens. If Toyota doesn't come through, I suppose a GX460 would be an option. It might be used if they kill it off before the new 4runner comes out, assuming no V8 option.
Cloning the Prado into a new 4runner seems legitimate to me.
Right now I'm waiting to see what happens. If Toyota doesn't come through, I suppose a GX460 would be an option. It might be used if they kill it off before the new 4runner comes out, assuming no V8 option.
Cloning the Prado into a new 4runner seems legitimate to me.
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Gecko
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I wouldn't hold my breath for another V8, but a bigger, more powerful, more efficient V6 for sure.
Our 2016 is a corp lease and I won't buy one until there is a powertrain change. This truck can barely get out of it's own way at times.
With the new Highlander coming in at 295hp and an 8AT, the 4Runner needs to match both of those at least.
CO-Cygnus
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That 295 HP tune makes less torque at higher RPM than the 4.0 we have today.
Less Tq. More Revs. No Thanks. This is a truck, not a Civic. You shouldn't have to rev the absolute crap out of the engine to make usable power. You can get a V8 or a Turbo-6 in the competition. So the options are: Reliability + Granny Motor, spend $20K+ more for a GX, or go to the competition?
Gecko
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Don't disagree with your assessment, but unfortunately, it seems like Toyota is moving to slightly higher revving engines in general when you look at the various iterations of the 2GR-FE/FSE/FKS. I think this could very well have to do with the integration of VVT-iW. The logical engine choice for a next gen 4Runner is some variation of the 2GR-FKS... it's simply not going to get it's own entirely unique engine, but either a tune of the 2GR-FKS or an exact drop-in from one that currently exists.
Right now, that engine makes between 278 and 295 hp, and 264 and 267lb-ft of torque. Horsepower is up significantly but revs are really not. When you look at the difference, the 4Runner delivers 14 more lb-ft of peak torque just 200 rpm sooner than the Tacoma. On the road, that's not a vast difference by any stretch, and I wouldn't call 200 rpm difference having to "rev the crap" out of an engine. Highlander delivers peak torque just 100 rpm later than the Tacoma and 300 rpm later than the 4Runner.
I don't think that the big difference here is so much RPMs as it is gearing - all other applications of the 2GR engine use 6 or 8 speed automatics, so the gear ratios are much shorter. If we ended up with a 4 Runner that had ~300hp and ~270lb-ft of torque, but a 6 or 8 speed automatic that kept the engine in the ideal range for power delivery, you shouldn't ever be "revving the absolute crap" out of an engine unless your foot is down.
I love torque - more than horsepower - and for people who will live and die by that mantra and want a BOF SUV, the GX 460 may well be the best bet.
Personally, I am willing to give up 200 rpm of extra revving before max torque delivery to get 20-30 more horsepower and more gears to use it in. I think a lot of the buying public will end up in that camp as well.
CO-Cygnus
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200 RPM and 14 lb-ft are not significantly worse, but they're still worse. Especially considering that 14 years ago the old 4.7 V8 in the 4th gen gave you 320 lb-ft @3400 RPM. We should not be regressing here.
The current setup is annoying enough as it is when you're dealing with an 11,000' mountain pass 3 times a week; I don't want something that is even fractionally weaker, especially if the new truck is heavier (Most of the new Toyota SUV redesigns have been getting heavier every update).
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chmura
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The new 4runner better have a proper engine it in. I would take the 4.0 over the 3.5L that they are putting in the Tacoma's any day.
A owner in a 2016 Tacoma was towing two of his horses in his trailer and suddenly lost engine power. To make a long story short he is getting a new short block from Toyota and will Lemon Law his car since its been over 30+ days in the shop.
Hopefully this is a fluke and nothing to do with the 3.5L engine.
A owner in a 2016 Tacoma was towing two of his horses in his trailer and suddenly lost engine power. To make a long story short he is getting a new short block from Toyota and will Lemon Law his car since its been over 30+ days in the shop.
Hopefully this is a fluke and nothing to do with the 3.5L engine.
Billynath1988
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Asked a Toyota rep at work, there is currently No news on an updated platform of the 4runner. It is also the only vehicle not receiving the Toyota safety sense features that will be on every single other car toyota makes beginning next year and completely into 2018. The rep agreed he does not forsee the 4runner dieing off, but there could be a year or two where it lags behind everything else. Maybe for a good reason. Hopefully.
PS. I work for toyota
PS. I work for toyota
Ryan1975
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I know it's not the speediest thing but I climb up I-70 at 85-90mph with ease. You just gotta rub it the right way (boom Britney Spears reference)
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