Anyone else seeing gas prices surging?

[Rapid_Amble]

Here one article to read.
Fact check: How many jobs lost on Keystone pipeline after Biden order?

I hope lots of people buy and drive EVs. And charge them from their home solar panels and battery banks, as well as at commercial charging stations. That’ll leave more gasoline for us 4Runner owners.

That article sources from Facebook posts lol. The degree of misinformation is impressive.

Obama’s state dept estimated 4K construction jobs which you’re calling temporary, plus 16k ongoing jobs directly related to the pipeline and a total of 42k jobs where most are indirectly tied to the pipeline but created due to increased economic activity brought by the project.

Obama downplays Keystone, ignores State Department research on pipeline - Washington Times

 

[ElectroBoy]

That article sources from Facebook posts lol. The degree of misinformation is impressive.

Obama’s state dept estimated 4K construction jobs which you’re calling temporary, plus 16k ongoing jobs directly related to the pipeline and a total of 42k jobs where most are indirectly tied to the pipeline but created due to increased economic activity brought by the project.

Obama downplays Keystone, ignores State Department research on pipeline - Washington Times

The article I linked mentions Facebook posts saying that between 11,000 and 83,000 jobs were going to be lost, which a lot of people are crowing about. The authors attempted to verify this and could not.

What TransContinental will *estimate* is that about 10,400 temporary US jobs *would have* been created and 2,800 Canadian jobs. These are construction, not full time jobs. What they do confirm is that the Biden order stopped work for about 1000 jobs right now. And the US State Dept estimates 50 jobs would have been permanent, with some of them in Canada.

That Washington Times article you linked is from the *Obama* administration’s State Dept estimates from over 5 years ago. It’s pretty old information and pretty optimistic for job creation. For example it says in addition to the *16,000* it estimates for temporary construction jobs,
“Another 26,000 jobs would come as an “indirect” result of Keystone. Those jobs would include, for example, retail and service positions in areas around the construction zone.” What? Who would build stores, restaurants, hotels, etc that would have customers for only two years? Even if that were to happen, that infrastructure would also be temporary.

Look, I’m not anti oil. I’ve thought for years that the Keystone XL ought to be built as long as the safety and land use issues could be resolved. There already is a pipeline from Canada to the US, this one would mirror some of that and send more oil each day. Canada is going to sell tar sands oil to someone, why not us? Otherwise it will go overseas.

But what I don’t believe are these stories of massive jobs “lost”. They are highly inflated to stir up emotions.

 

[Oldmanb777]

Another part of Biden's anti oil war is..........This will destabilize the price of energy. Especially fossil fuels. Reducing our output of fuels will put the control of price back in the hands of people that don't like stability in prices. Venezuela, Iran, Russia, OPEC and others. North America (including Canada) being a major producer has gotten us (and the world) off the addiction of foreign controlled and somewhat un- reliable energy sources. Maybe over time we can get off the addiction, but that will take time. Even Jimmy Carter saw the danger of dependence on foreign energy. Guess Biden doesn't see it that way.

 

[Thai]

Here one article to read.
Fact check: How many jobs lost on Keystone pipeline after Biden order?

I hope lots of people buy and drive EVs. And charge them from their home solar panels and battery banks, as well as at commercial charging stations. That’ll leave more gasoline for us 4Runner owners.

So, how will the EVs charge when the wind and solar stations cannot keep up with demand? Rolling blackouts? Should every EV come with a free bicycle so that you can still pedal to work if you cannot charge your EV?

And if those stations use backup oil-based generators, then what you put in those generators?

And with us being a b!tch to Middle East and Russia, does going green really offset what China is outputting into the atmosphere?

 

[ElectroBoy]

So, how will the EVs charge when the wind and solar stations cannot keep up with demand? Rolling blackouts? Should every EV come with a free bicycle so that you can still pedal to work if you cannot charge your EV?

And if those stations use backup oil-based generators, then what you put in those generators?

And with us being a b!tch to Middle East and Russia, does going green really offset what China is outputting into the atmosphere?

You think American ingenuity is so f’d up that these challenges can’t be met?
Maybe nuclear gets a revival. Maybe natural gas fired generation increases. Maybe oil-fired generation. Maybe there will be excess US oil to burn in generation instead of ICE vehicles. Who knows? We don’t need to figure it out, others who know what they’re doing will.

The worldwide oil industry is very complex. I don’t pretend to really understand it. I don’t think anyone on this forum really understands the details of it either, unless they work in the industry. But we can appreciate it. Here’s a little info on it.

Where our oil comes from - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

 

[4Reak Show]

I’ll post this here too:

I find the delusion of battery/electric operated transportation as a solution incredibly alarming. My favorite is these f*cking entitled Tesla owners with vanity plates like “UGETGAS” or “FOSLFRE”. Do they have any idea the machinery necessary to harvest the components for those “Earth Saving” batteries?? Or the process needed to create those batteries? Mining is one of the worst things we do to this planet. And battery components require A LOT of mining.

Here’s an example of the Penasquito Silver Mine:
“Covering nearly 40 square miles [100 square kilometers], the operation is staggering in its scale: a sprawling open-pit complex ripped into the mountains, flanked by two waste dumps each a mile long, and a tailings dam full of toxic sludge held back by a wall that’s 7 miles around and as high as a 50-story skyscraper. This mine will produce 11,000 tons of silver in 10 years before its reserves, the biggest in the world, are gone.

To transition the global economy to renewables, we need to commission up to 130 more mines on the scale of Peñasquito. Just for silver.”

The ONLY solution to any angle of this is a different way of life, and a compromise away from certain comforts. We’re all too used to 80 miles per hour and Air Conditioning in every box we place ourselves (home/transport/work/stores). Moving one way doesn’t negate the affects of the second choice. Kicking the can down the road will never work long term.

 

[Nobody Special]

You think American ingenuity is so f’d up that these challenges can’t be met?
Maybe nuclear gets a revival. Maybe natural gas fired generation increases. Maybe oil-fired generation. Maybe there will be excess US oil to burn in generation instead of ICE vehicles. Who knows? We don’t need to figure it out, others who know what they’re doing will.

The worldwide oil industry is very complex. I don’t pretend to really understand it. I don’t think anyone on this forum really understands the details of it either, unless they work in the industry. But we can appreciate it. Here’s a little info on it.

Where our oil comes from - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

One nuclear accident and all the "green" shit is negated.
And then there is that pesky issue of fuel and control rods.

And then CERN has capability for energy, but can annihilate the planet.
Extra dimensions, gravitons, and tiny black holes | CERN
Continuing the search for extra dimensions | ATLAS Experiment at CERN

 

[bear1998]

In reality....the population expanse needs to be closer to a flat line. If it keeps goin...you'll never solve the problems across the board....

 

[Muzzle of Bees]

Not especially. We regularly see swings of 30 to 40 cents in a short period of time here so it’s not new. I don’t see the oil cartels selling any of their wealth due to pressure on their income. As I recall the most expensive gas was under the young Bush.
Didn’t coke just cut 11,000 or more jobs? You are not guaranteed to have work. If people so concerned about their welfare they would get educated so they can be prepared for the jobless downtrend. The worst possible thing is to have limited skills and I certainly don’t regularly run into anyone that I would want to hire.

 

[Nobody Special]

Not especially. We regularly see swings of 30 to 40 cents in a short period of time here so it’s not new. I don’t see the oil cartels selling any of their wealth due to pressure on their income.
Didn’t coke just cut that many or more jobs? You are not guaranteed to have work. If people so concerned about their welfare they would get educated so they can be prepared for the jobless downtrend. The worst possible thing is to have limited skills. I don’t regularly run into anyone that I would want to hire.

Same here. Most are college educated too.
The irony.


Says a lot about the indoctrination system.

 

[Nobody Special]

In reality....the population expanse needs to be closer to a flat line. If it keeps goin...you'll never solve the problems across the board....

That would solve many, MANY issues.

One "hard time" will sort the skilled out.
Sadly, in that time, the desperation of the moronic masses will cost some good lives too.

 

[momo.75]

Political discussions can go to another forum. They are not happening here.