B&M 70268 SuperCooler Transmission Cooler Install on a 3rd Gen

B&M Trans Cooler In-Line After on 5th Gen

Using ScanGauge, prior to B&M cooler I've seen my Trans temps match my coolant temps (+/-) on long hot days driving on the freeway, and spike to high 190's in stop & go, but quickly come down after some speed and air circulation.

Post B&M, Trans temp consistently 10-30 deg lower than coolant, and can just about match coolant in stop and go, but no major spikes.

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My scangauge is picking up torque converter temps. I was unable to get it to do trans oil pan. Do you know what code you used?
 
Im curious to see what actual temperature readings you guys are having with the complete bypass transmission cooler. Being on an island, I only drive short trips with frequent stop and go traffic. I dont tow anything but do climb some steep hills to get around. I would like to do the full bypass so that this 4runner has the best chance at survival in the longrun. Since this vehicle is mainly being bought and sold from student to student, maintenance is going to be low on the priority list. I want to make sure that future owner dont have to worry about the pink milkshake.

I forgot to mention this is a tropical climate that has not seen winter since the ice age. So in a sense, Winter is Never coming.
 
there is a post that does a good breakdown on temps with and without coolers, with and without bypass
just read through this thread again
if not directly in this thread their will be a link
 
B&M 70268 SuperCooler Transmission Cooler Install on a 3rd Gen

Im curious to see what actual temperature readings you guys are having with the complete bypass transmission cooler. Being on an island, I only drive short trips with frequent stop and go traffic. I dont tow anything but do climb some steep hills to get around. I would like to do the full bypass so that this 4runner has the best chance at survival in the longrun. Since this vehicle is mainly being bought and sold from student to student, maintenance is going to be low on the priority list. I want to make sure that future owner dont have to worry about the pink milkshake.

I forgot to mention this is a tropical climate that has not seen winter since the ice age. So in a sense, Winter is Never coming.

No winter? I would just bypass then if your ultimate worry is a pink milkshake down the road.

3bears is right, there should be temp info in one of the multitude of Trans Cooler threads.

My personal observation, I have a bypassed cooler with dual senders so I can monitor both pre and post cooler temps. On average, in summer weather. Bombing around town, lots of stop and go and mild traffic and such... I typically see about a 10F to 15F difference between pre & post, but my highest temp never really goes over 165F. I think I may have hit 180F once on one of our hottest days, with me carrying a load of interlock stones in the back.

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Blew my right rear shock on that load, lol.
 
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Im curious to see what actual temperature readings you guys are having with the complete bypass transmission cooler. ...

So how hot does it get when you drive? That makes All the difference.

Around central texas for example where we Can get anywhere from 40-90 100+ degree days (who can beat that??), stop/go yields the highest temps with a bypass cooler only, like in the 210-230 range.

With both an external cooler and the radiator cooler those same conditions yield 160-185.

So obviously the external cooler alone is far from sufficient trans cooling in my area. Luck and enjoy. :cowboy:
 
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So how hot does it get when you drive? That makes All the difference.

Around central texas for example where we Can get anywhere from 40-90 100+ degree days (who can beat that??), stop/go yields the highest temps with a bypass cooler only, like in the 210-230 range.

With both an external cooler and the radiator cooler those same conditions yield 160-185.

So obviously the external cooler alone is far from sufficient trans cooling in my area. Luck and enjoy. :cowboy:

Even in Canada, we get 100 degree days in the summer (maybe a handful of them), but I'm sure it's a much more seldom occurrence than in Austin.
 
I rarely see anything above 90F. But it's humid all the time. It's a really wierd situation attending school here in the carribean. None of us wants to be here so we all just try to get through the next 2 years as quickly as possible. Being passed from student to student, maintenance is ignored. Their mentality is to only fix stuff that breaks and pass any longterm problems off to the next owner. I know pink milkshake will be the downfall of this rig in the long run.


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So I did find a thread talking specifically about temps with external trans coolers. I one person mention having 200oF sitting in traffic in the 100oF heat. The most recent post post is by "the great him" saying that he has 2 coolers in series with a fan on one of them. Would a dual cooler setup be the bullet proof way to keep the transmission happy and ensure longevity?
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...xternal-cooler-when-towing-2.html#post1606286

You're overthinking it, especially for a 2WD Runner.

Simplest solution would be to install a brand new radiator and not worry about a pink milkshake for another 10+ years.
 
You're overthinking it, especially for a 2WD Runner.

Simplest solution would be to install a brand new radiator and not worry about a pink milkshake for another 10+ years.
Normally, that's exactly what I would do but the point of my inquiry is find way to extend the life of this 4runner for the future owners. Every 2years like clockwork she's going to find herself at the mercy of someone else. I can't rely on those people to have the fore thought to change the radiator every few years. Especially since the coolant won't get changed like it should and will break down into an acid thus reducing the lifespan of the radiator.

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Simplest solution would be to install a brand new radiator and not worry about a pink milkshake for another 10+ years.

My recommendation also. If you do nothing else do this.

Besides if your trips are less than 20-30 mins, the trans won't really heat up much (if not towing and/or going up 7+ degree grades!). Luck. :cowboy:
 
Normally, that's exactly what I would do but the point of my inquiry is find way to extend the life of this 4runner for the future owners. Every 2years like clockwork she's going to find herself at the mercy of someone else. I can't rely on those people to have the fore thought to change the radiator every few years. Especially since the coolant won't get changed like it should and will break down into an acid thus reducing the lifespan of the radiator.

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You don't have to change the rad every few years.
More like every 20. Or never again.
 
You don't have to change the rad every few years.
More like every 20. Or never again.
Seriously? 20 years with no service history and mostly broke college students as previous owners? If I followed that logic I would have already experienced the pink milkshake.

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Seriously? 20 years with no service history and mostly broke college students as previous owners? If I followed that logic I would have already experienced the pink milkshake.

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20 years without maintenance to the cooling system is not unheard of.

I was saying 10 years of worry free, which IMO is still pretty good.

Buy new rad
do a coolant flush
do a transmission fluid drop and fill.

Have a mojito.

If any vehicle on this planet is suited for maintenance neglect, the 4runner would probably be at the top of the list.
 
I suppose I'm just trying to factor in the difficulty in getting parts here. 4runner are not at all common on the island. I have seen 2..... total. Forget getting a transmission here. It would cost a fortune to ship from the states.


I could alter my original question. How close can external air coolers match the radiators ability to cool transmission fluid.

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Rad, Tranny Cooler, Filter, Condenser, Drier, Green to Red Notes

So since I have the bumpers off and awaiting some custom ones I decided (at 128k) to go ahead and put a new radiator in and to add a tranny cooler and filter. My AC condenser looked pretty beat up from the years so I also did a new condenser and drier. Here are my notes after all this to hopefully help others.


MY BILL: $640

OEM Rad from dealer: $200
B&M Tranny Cooler Kit: $81
Condenser $65
Drier: $16
Seal kit: $12 (the dryer came with new o-rings but the condenser did not for the two in/out lines and I wanted them.
New upper and lower rad hoses: $40 (Napa and yes they actually are exactly the same...I was shocked)
8' ATF hose: $20 (and I did use almost all of it)
Hose clamps: $4
Magnafine filter: $19
Toyota Red coolant: $50 (2 gallons...have some extra)
Distilled water: $10 (used 10 gallons to flush changing from green to red)
AC test and fill: $120


RADIATOR & TRANNY COOLER INSTALL NOTES:

-Find the tranny install video posted all over the forum. It's worth watching the entire thing. I watched it a few times. Thx to Tim the toolman! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nVbwe2t2T8

-You can trust the images on these threads for 3rd gen runners but STILL the BEST IDEA to visually chase them yourself. I even marked mine with painters tape and labels as I mapped it all out. Basically: OUT tranny hardline (Rear/low return hot > Radiator in (passenger side) > Radiator out (drivers side) > Magnafine in-line filter > in top of tranny cooler > out bottom of tranny cooler > back to IN tranny (front/upper) hardline.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-gen-t4rs/63553-writeup-tranny-cooler-install.html

which transmission line heads to the tranny cooler? - YotaTech Forums

-The shroud is no problem and can be added after the radiator is back in. There's a comment in the video to put it in before the rad but I see no reason for that.

-OEM rads are on sale at most dealers now (less than what I paid.) I got mine for $200 and it was worth going the stealership route for this I felt so that IF it was damaged I could simply not take it. I did not want to deal with a damaged radiator as is common per many threads and amazon reviews of the Denso's etc.

-Check your input/output tranny lines on the rad before you put it in...make sure those nuts are tight. Mine were with OEM.

-The zip tie mounting method of the tranny cooler is fine but since my condenser and rad were brand new I just couldn't stand to bend any fins. But mounting it up with brackets was easy-breezy and should allow for even better condenser airflow. Plus, there's tons of room between the condenser and grill so why not? (If you drill that lower left hole put something behind! Don't drill your condenser!

-I simply bent my horn mounting bracket to bump out over the rad cooler. No prob.

-Consider doing your thermostat. I did not since it's working, since I have the SC pulley/tensioner in the way (not an issue on non-SC'd), and since it's something you can get to at any time without removing the radiator. But, it would be a little easier with the shroud and rad out of the way so something to consider.

-Watch your abrasion protection. Split line around the AC line hole is best per the video. Watch them down by the bottom of the shroud where they connect to the hardlines. Zip tie them good to the AC lines...just ensure nothing moving can get anywhere near them obviously.)

-Watch the driver's side tranny cooler input L-bend line. It's soft metal and will bend. I pre-lubed it with tranny fluid and that helped but I could still only get it on so far. If you try too hard you will bend that line so be gentle.

-I did buy my condenser and drier on Amazon. The condenser came with box open (never good). As is apparently common (from forums and reviews), from the top it looked warped which I did not like but had no blunt or big fin damage so I installed it which was fine. It charged up and held a charge fine as well. I know it's lightweight alloy and many come this way, but compared to my stock I didn't like that bend/warp in it. Oh well. Napa wanted $130 for the same part so on it went.

-Try and minimize the time your AC lines are open. I immediately removed and replaced the lines but if they are off for an extended period of time put electrical tape over the ends of them.


GREEN TO RED COOLANT CHANGE NOTES:

So since I did a pretty thorough job here I decided to swap from green to red. This was not too bad but because I was doing this I added the following steps for the initial drain:

Initial Drain of Green

- Drain at petcock on Rad, remove lower hoses, let drain thoroughly (recommend overnight). I also jacked the rear up to get a bit more. Careful doing this...chalk front wheels. (Also, on ATF lines, if you are doing a cooler you'll have to drain them since you will be tapping into the hardlines. If you are NOT doing that, secure them upward and not much will drain out.)

- Remove and rinse the overflow

- Find the passenger side drainage plug and use it (don't remove it, just loosen and let it drain). I got quite a bit more this way. Look for threads on this, just need LONG extensions.

- Remove thermostat...you'll get some this way (admittedly I didn't do this myself with this project)

- System is almost exactly 2 gallons! Keep this in mind

- IF you put a tranny cooler on as part of this, BEFORE you start engine, check your tranny fluid just to see (should be low) and add about a quart of ATF as well just to be safe (you likely lost more than that when you pulled the lines and the cooler will take some too so 1 quart is a good place to start but you WILL NEED TO CHECK AGAIN after you get rad fluid squared away and several times after driving it around for a few weeks after.)

Flush & Refill Method

-Once you have the new rad it and all, fill rad to top with distilled water and start engine (just leave cap off). Get it warm and open heater(s) full blast. Let it run for awhile...20 min or so this way until you start getting heat from heaters (just basically leave heater(s) on full blast through all this. Check all underneath and on all your connections for any leaks. Watch your temp gauge through all this. It should be good. Mine never moved even near halfway. If you have a decline driveway etc, you can move the vehicle around if need be and get it on a slight decline if you can (not necessary just helps a bit with flow when you start draining). Get your favorite drain pan and open petcock on bottom of rad. Let it start draining. Since I had done such a full drain initially I was getting green but a lot more faint/yellow than the initial drain. Let it drain like this while running...every few minutes, pour more distilled water in until it's topped off. If your drain pan gets full you can shut the petcock temporarily, ensure rad is topped off, drain pan into gallon jugs etc. then resume. Rev engine a bit throughout this process. Keep doing this until you start to get basically clear water through. I ran 8 gallons through this way and it was pretty clear...just really faint yellow at that point. On your next to last gallon, once it's all gone in the rad and the rad is full, shut off the engine and let it drain out one final time until it's just a drip. Now you can assume you have 50% water in the system (retained in block and heater cores). Screw petcock back in and fill rad with coolant to the top. Start it and let it run quite awhile again with heaters full blast again etc. You're now in mixing phase. Keep checking fluid, it will go down a little but not a ton. At some point before it's too hot, put cap on and if you had it on a decline, now turn the vehicle around to be on a slight incline (not necessary but helps with burping.) Take cap back off (again ONLY if it's not too hot which it should not be) now keep topping off very slightly and burping. Also, mix up some 50/50 distilled and coolant and fill the overflow at this time. Squeeze the top rad return hose and look for bubbles. At some point, call it good and drive it around a little, park and let it sit overnight. Next morning check the fluid and top off if you want. You're done. (AND DON'T FORGET TO CHECK AND ADD ATF NOW TOO if you did a cooler.)

-True to the Toyota Red Coolant bottle, by doing this method I was able to get one full red coolant bottle in plus a bit more (and some for overflow mix). So I think I have about 60/40 mix in there or just slightly less...perfect.


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Here are the pics! Hope at least one of these tips help someone else!

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