Biker Gang Incident

[bofa]

It may be unfortunate that they get lumped together based on the overwhelming history of corruption and the publicity it receives... but, as I learned the hard way long ago, perception is very powerful and often hard to overcome.

 

[RandyDaytona]

I was a paramedic, I've been shot at and assaiulted for doing my job, and I'm fully aware of the brotherhood and "us or them mentality."

I have also worked closely with many cops, some from the moment they come out of the academy and have observed nice people transformed into thinking that every person breaking the law is the same kind of scumbag. I know well enough that even during a traffic stop a hopped up cop might taze or shoot your ass because an innocent action may be misinterpreted as aggression.

It's not ALL police. It's the few bad apples. But there's more of an attitude to cover for them because everyone's afraid that if they let the bad cops take the hit, it makes everyone more vulnerable by tying their hands as what they can legally do.

I just don't understand how any implication that there MAY be police corruption is met by "how dare you insult a veteran cop."

That "cover for someone" attitude is very prevalent, unfortunately, but it's dying. Mainly because most officers are not going to risk their careers for some idiot colleague. Also because officers have learned (painfully) that "covering for" someone so that it doesn't make the news or embarrass the agency is only a temporary fix: the idiot-in-question WILL screw up again...and again. And eventually, not only will he do something so bad that it can't be covered up by those who want to do so, but it will reveal every other stupid thing he's ever done.

An implication of corruption doesn't bother me. Even an accusation of such. It exists. I know it does. And I know it's a a problem with the NYPD. They're trying to fix it, but they're fighting an uphill fight because a lot of this is ingrained in some folks and they're passing it down.

I just don't like it when an entire agency/profession is painted with the same broad brush because of the ones who are screwing up.

Sorry about saying you must have "authority issues." I was PO'd. I apologize.

 

[RandyDaytona]

It may be unfortunate that they get lumped together based on the overwhelming history of corruption and the publicity it receives... but, as I learned the hard way long ago, perception is very powerful and often hard to overcome.

Yup. That's why I hate firemen. Everybody LOVE them .

 

[RandyDaytona]

It may be unfortunate that they get lumped together based on the overwhelming history of corruption and the publicity it receives... but, as I learned the hard way long ago, perception is very powerful and often hard to overcome.

Yup. That's why I hate firemen. Everybody LOVES them .

 

[KidVermicious]

Yup. That's why I hate firemen. Everybody LOVE them .

The hell I do! I've known several firemen, and with one exception they were all testosterone-riddled misogynistic *******s.

Firemen can go jump off a ****in' ladder. I like EMTs and ER nurses, myself.

 

[Jumpkix]

[MENTION=67598]RandyDaytona[/MENTION]- First off, thank you very much for your service as a Devil Dog and as a LEO in one of the most difficult cities for that profession. I don't think anyone here was directly criticizing you in any capacity, and it's unfortunate that the NYPD has developed a negative reputation due to both the media and the actions of a few. But as long as there are people like you who still have integrity and are willing to sacrifice their lives for others, it gives hope to the rest of us in a world filled with negative news from garbage media. Or if you're like me, you no longer listen to that crap :smile:

 

[wallytoo]

When you have 35,000 officers, then yeah - you will have "one of the highest corruption rates" in the country.

i'd be interested in your reasoning in making the above statement. rate implies a percentage or number of incidents based on a population. for a large population or force (such as NY city), a single incident has very little effect on the rate, yet for a rural population or force, a single incident has a huge impact on a rate. therefore, NY has quite a buffer available, in terms of numbers of "incidents" to affect their "rate" of corrupt actions, or whatever.

i'm not agreeing or disagreeing that your statement is correct, just asking about why that conclusion is reached.

 

[RunninInGA]

i'd be interested in your reasoning in making the above statement. rate implies a percentage or number of incidents based on a population. for a large population or force (such as NY city), a single incident has very little effect on the rate, yet for a rural population or force, a single incident has a huge impact on a rate. therefore, NY has quite a buffer available, in terms of numbers of "incidents" to affect their "rate" of corrupt actions, or whatever.

i'm not agreeing or disagreeing that your statement is correct, just asking about why that conclusion is reached.

Careful, wally, you're questioning a police officer's reasoning - isn't that a violation of code 14.356.2 paragraph 3.....:behindsofa:

 

[RandyDaytona]

The hell I do! I've known several firemen, and with one exception they were all testosterone-riddled misogynistic *******s.

Firemen can go jump off a ****in' ladder. I like EMTs and ER nurses, myself.

I don't really hate 'em.

I'm just jealous because, as a cop, I can't stand on the corner on a sunny day collecting money in a boot...not without someone shooting at me, anyway

 

[RandyDaytona]

i'd be interested in your reasoning in making the above statement. rate implies a percentage or number of incidents based on a population. for a large population or force (such as NY city), a single incident has very little effect on the rate, yet for a rural population or force, a single incident has a huge impact on a rate. therefore, NY has quite a buffer available, in terms of numbers of "incidents" to affect their "rate" of corrupt actions, or whatever.

i'm not agreeing or disagreeing that your statement is correct, just asking about why that conclusion is reached.

I didn't reach that conclusion. I was just quoting someone else who posted it first. Personally, I don't think there's a way to accurately come up with that info, anyway. What do you rely on? Self-reporting (?)? The number of corrupt cops you catch? I think you have to look at the frequency of the things that make themselves known and address it as an across-the-board issue. All law enforcement agencies should be doing this all the time, and definitely the NYPD.

 

[RandyDaytona]

Careful, wally, you're questioning a police officer's reasoning - isn't that a violation of code 14.356.2 paragraph 3.....:behindsofa:

How about this?

Just tell me what you do for a living and I'll tell you the best way to do it, explain to you what you're doing wrong, and point out a bunch of things you've never thought of...

 

[RandyDaytona]

[MENTION=67598]RandyDaytona[/MENTION]- First off, thank you very much for your service as a Devil Dog and as a LEO in one of the most difficult cities for that profession. I don't think anyone here was directly criticizing you in any capacity, and it's unfortunate that the NYPD has developed a negative reputation due to both the media and the actions of a few. But as long as there are people like you who still have integrity and are willing to sacrifice their lives for others, it gives hope to the rest of us in a world filled with negative news from garbage media. Or if you're like me, you no longer listen to that crap :smile:

Thanks for the kind words. But I don't work for the NYPD (though I've worked with them). Actually, I know many people seem to love it, but you couldn't pay me enough money to live in NYC or any big city. I'll stay in the woods .

 

[nevada]

How about this?

Just tell me what you do for a living and I'll tell you the best way to do it, explain to you what you're doing wrong, and point out a bunch of things you've never thought of...

did he say that to, and about you?
I don't remember reading that.

why are you taking things so personally?

 

[RunninInGA]

did he say that to, and about you?
I don't remember reading that.

why are you taking things so personally?

Correct - I never said any of the things [MENTION=67598]RandyDaytona[/MENTION] believes I did. I've got no problem with him arguing with me over the internet....that way, at least I know he can't shoot my dogs......:uzi::uzi::uzi::uzi:

 

[RunninInGA]

How about this?

Just tell me what you do for a living and I'll tell you the best way to do it, explain to you what you're doing wrong, and point out a bunch of things you've never thought of...

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

 

[leftyguns21]

aaaaaaaaaand
now we are off topic

:focus:

 

[wallytoo]

I didn't reach that conclusion. I was just quoting someone else who posted it first. Personally, I don't think there's a way to accurately come up with that info, anyway. What do you rely on? Self-reporting (?)? The number of corrupt cops you catch? I think you have to look at the frequency of the things that make themselves known and address it as an across-the-board issue. All law enforcement agencies should be doing this all the time, and definitely the NYPD.

i believe you misunderstood my comment. i was asking why you believe that when you have "35,000 officers, you'll have a higher rate" [than places with fewer officers]. i wasn't asking about the validity of the rate itself.

 

[bofa]

i believe you misunderstood my comment. i was asking why you believe that when you have "35,000 officers, you'll have a higher rate" [than places with fewer officers]. i wasn't asking about the validity of the rate itself.

He may be right though... when you have a larger pool of people, there are more people to be tempted - and while that doesn't affect the "rate" necessarily, once it starts, corruption grows like a virus, so now we're talking multiplication factors. You need strong ethical people to make the right decision and that's hard to come by, especially in a group that thinks they can skirt the law and get away with it. Again, not classifying all officers, but I could see how it would be more prevalent in a larger population.

 

[RunninInGA]

Whether Randy wants to admit it or not or prefers that we don't acknowledge it is irrelevant, there are crooked cops just like there are crooked bankers, florists, insurance salesmen, etc. The difference is that, by and large, crooked bankers and florists aren't responsible for the enforcement of laws which affect the physical safety of my family and friends....and you sure as hell don't see any undercover bankers or florists committing crimes with their buddies in the name of doing police work.

 

[RunninInGA]

I don't see this working very well.

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