Engine Trouble caused by driving without oil

[TheDurk]

I recently did a 6.0L GTO engine in a friends garage, R&R in about 4 hours with no power tools.

I had a '66 LeMans (GTO was the sport version, LeMans was the luxury of the Tempest family.) I don't remember a 6.0L. There was the 350 (5.7l), the 389 (6.2l) the 400 (6.6l) and on up from there all the way to 455. The base GTO was the 389 and then the 400.

 

[cashmoney]

I'm assuming he's talking about the modern piss poor excuse of a GTO.

 

[TheDurk]

Fair enough. I don't think I've ever seen an FSM that didn't have you pull the entire drivetrain, and it seems like the guys I've known that worked for dealerships always preferred to yank the whole thing, but maybe I've just known weirdos.

Well, feast your eyes on the FSM for the 2002 4Runner (5VZ-FE w/4wd).

ENGINE UNIT (4WD)
page EM-73

2002 4RUNNER (RM887U)
REMOVAL
Step 1: Remove transmission

Whole chapter attached.

I've never pulled an engine; I've just done trannys. Probably because I'm proud to say I've never had an engine die before the car. But pulling that whole engine, bell, trans, and TC would be a horror show, I would think.

 

[Diezel]

It's not THAT dramatic. Yes it's more work but doesn't take away from the fact that it happens across the world on a daily basis and is a proven method of removal.

It's a lot more work and when you're flat rate, every 1/10th of an hour (6 minutes) counts. I'd rather pull 4-6 extra bolts off of a flex plate, then 15+ bolts, hoses, connectors, etc. The extra 25-45 min to drop the trans and transfer case, is useless when doing an engine R&R.

I'm assuming he's talking about the modern piss poor excuse of a GTO.

Correct. aka: Holden Commodore.

Well, feast your eyes on the FSM for the 2002 4Runner (5VZ-FE w/4wd).

Whole chapter attached.

I've never pulled an engine; I've just done trannys. Probably because I'm proud to say I've never had an engine die before the car. But pulling that whole engine, bell, trans, and TC would be a horror show, I would think.

Thanks for that. I can tell you this, find me a Toyota journeyman tech, whose followed that. You'll be hard pressed to find one.

 

[TheDurk]

Correct. aka: Holden Commodore.

Holy crap! I didn't know that existed. Had to Google it. Not a GTO in my book. Just a shame how they killed Pontiac. Worse and worse cars for 30 years. GTO to the Aztec.

 

[Diezel]

Holy crap! I didn't know that existed. Had to Google it. Not a GTO in my book. Just a shame how they killed Pontiac. Worse and worse cars for 30 years. GTO to the Aztec.

Many people are unaware of Holden-Ltd. Even more so, that it is a GM Subsidiary.

And god yes. To me, the Original GTO and Firebird (minus the 80-90's) were the last great cars Pontiac produced. Why GM decided to bring that brand down closer and closer to Saturn (another GM Sub) was beyond me. GM could have kept Pontiac producing muscle cars, and possibly kept the brand alive for a lot longer. Especially when they partnered with Toyota (Notice the Pontiac Vibe and Toyota Matrix??).

There were many rumors (of which I don't know the validity to) of Parts lines having standards tests, in which the parts tested were grouped into categories. Top being Cadillac, Mid being Chevy/GMC/Buick, and the bottom of the bucket Pontiac. Knowing the reliability levels, and fit and finish of the vehicle lines, I can see some truth to that.

 

[TFRnoob]

I think I will be driving :driving: in no time!

I think I got everything separated from the engine. I decided to separate the engine from the transfer case instead of separating it at the bell housing. I have no idea if this is a good idea or a terrible one but it seemed a lot easier to do as all of the bolts were accessible. The only worry I have (right now) is the fact that when I removed the 6 bolts that attach the transfer case to the transmission... nothing happened. I am assuming it needs to be pulled apart. Please guide me in the right direction. I want to rent the engine hoist and buy the engine stand tomorrow.

 

[TFRnoob]

Well actually it's not called a transfer case as I don't have the 4x4 option

Maybe I actually separated the engine at the "transmission case -extension housing" interface. Sorry I don't really know the names of anything :faint:

Is this bad? If so, next steps?

Thanks

 

[Twan]

So your truck is a 2wd? It's likely just a tail housing extension to occupy the space where the transfer case would normally be. It should pretty much be a hollow housing with the output shaft running through it. It sounds like somehow you're making this a lot more difficult for yourself than it should be.

 

[TFRnoob]

So your truck is a 2wd? It's likely just a tail housing extension to occupy the space where the transfer case would normally be. It should pretty much be a hollow housing with the output shaft running through it. It sounds like somehow you're making this a lot more difficult for yourself than it should be.

I should be all done then, right? I removed the hollow housing where the transfer case would be, if I had a 4x4, and so I should be able to just pull it apart, right?

If that is the case then I can rent the engine hoist tomorrow and yank her out.

 

[02SE]

Why would you want to remove the tailhousing of the transmission? Just unbolt the transmission mount.
Unbolt the driveshaft at the pinion flange.
Slide the driveshaft slip yoke out of the transmission and set it aside.
Plug the transmission output with an appropriate plug. But since you won't have that, put a bag over the transmission output, and tape it securely in place, so ATF doesn't pour out as you pull the engine and trans.

 

[TFRnoob]

Why would you want to remove the tailhousing of the transmission? Just unbolt the transmission mount.
Unbolt the driveshaft at the pinion flange.
Slide the driveshaft slip yoke out of the transmission and set it aside.
Plug the transmission output with an appropriate plug. But since you won't have that, put a bag over the transmission output, and tape it securely in place, so ATF doesn't pour out as you pull the engine and trans.

Yeah, for some reason I thought by unbolting the tail housing the trans would pull apart. I know that is wrong now.

Thanks for your help! Will ATF still pour out even if I drained the ATF from the drain plug?

 

[Twan]

Maybe a little. Without the added complications of a transfer case, with the engine and transmission unbolted from their mounts, you should just be in for a lot of little jacking, tilting, and pulling movements to get that long and awkward assembly out. Just make sure to constantly check for things still connected or things that might snag, and make sure you put the bolts back in for the bellhousing and all that so it doesn't decide to split while your lifting it out.

 

[TFRnoob]

Maybe a little. Without the added complications of a transfer case, with the engine and transmission unbolted from their mounts, you should just be in for a lot of little jacking, tilting, and pulling movements to get that long and awkward assembly out. Just make sure to constantly check for things still connected or things that might snag, and make sure you put the bolts back in for the bellhousing and all that so it doesn't decide to split while your lifting it out.

good call, I am going to put the bolts back in and see what it looks like if I tilt the engine forward and backward after detaching the rear engine mounting bracket to see if it might be easier to switch gears and take the starter, exhaust mani and the bell housing bolts out instead of my current plan. We will see i guess.

It has been a steep learning curve. Thanks to everyone for helping out.

 

[TFRnoob]

After flip-flopping, finally decided to stick to removing the engine at the bell housing. It all got easier after removing the rear mounting bracket and jacking the transmission up. I took two of the engine mount bolts out and loosened the front two and made that the pivot point. Make everything much easier. Not done yet but I figure maybe another 20-30 minutes max before its out.

 

[Diezel]

After flip-flopping, finally decided to stick to removing the engine at the bell housing

Imagine that.........

 

[TFRnoob]

I decided to rent an engine hoist and I'm scheduled to pick it up tomorrow afternoon. Any bets on how many things are still attached to the engine?

 

[stir_fry_boy]

I decided to rent an engine hoist and I'm scheduled to pick it up tomorrow afternoon. Any bets on how many things are still attached to the engine?

Couldn't hazard a guess.

 

[TFRnoob]

On my lunch break, I bought myself a chain for the engine for about $12 and an engine stand with a capacity of 1500 lbs for about $100.

I am renting an engine hoist later today and I hope to have the engine out tonight. I will be wrestling with this alone so if anyone has tips it would be appreciated.

I have been trying to figure out my next move. I want to rebuild the engine that I have in the car right now because it might be a fun project for me. So I will make a separate thread about that.

The real question is new engine or junkyard engine? What should be replaced on a junkyard engine before I install it in the truck?

 

[TFRnoob]

Here is something I learned:

Don't try and pull an engine at night.

I now see a very small frayed wire coming from the engine harness which was likely caused by me trying to yank the motor.

Also, the block isn't separating from the engine. So I am going to double check how many bolts I have and see if there is a sneaky one I somehow missed. If I have the right number of bolts I am not sure why it won't separate.

Also, the driveshaft is separating from the transmission, how bad is this?