FN BFD Wheels on 5th Gen

TThompson

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OK, so I finally got ahold of a decent camera to take some pics.
I have been working with Dustin at FN Wheels in California for a few weeks now trying to decide what route I wanted to go with my wheels. I was leaning towards the Konig Countersteer X but eventually went a different route and bought a set of 5 BFD 18x9 wheels with a 0mm offset. I can't say much other than initial impressions, perceived quality, and weight of the wheel, and feedback on FN Wheels. I have had numerous emails back and fourth with Dustin at FN, and he has always been a pleasure to deal with. I had a few unique concerns and he was always honest and very accommodating in every aspect of our transaction. The wheels seem to be top quality and were packaged in a manner that allowed them to travel to the east coast without damage. I was provided with 3 separate tracking numbers the same day that the wheels shipped, which IIRC was within 24 hours after they received payment. Bottom line is that I had a very nice experience working with FN Wheels and I would recommend them to others. Now on to the wheels...

Weight was a claimed 22lb. 6 oz for the 18x9. I don't have a super high tech scale, but mine verified the claimed weight close enough. They had a variety of colors to choose from and I elected to go with the matte black. The finish was very smooth and I did not find any manufacturing flaws with the wheels, either cosmetic or structural. Fitment was flawless, and these things render spacers useless. The wheels sit flush with the 4Runner except they stick out maybe 1/2" where the rear rocker panel curves back in to the fender flare. I am not worried about this though as it is in front of the rear wheel and I do not anticipate rocks to be thrown forward too often. The stance gives the vehicle a much more aggressive look and I love it, though it is a purely subjective opinion.

I was very concerned about fuel economy and picked my wheels and tires specifically to alleviate as much stress on the engine as possible while still giving me what i wanted in terms of visual appeal. Tires selected were Cooper ATP in 265/70/18 (I will make a separate thread reviewing those later, so far so great) and they weigh in at 45 lbs. Also 265 eliminates the pizza cutter effect that annoyed me so badly on the stock 20" wheels while still maintaining a reasonable footprint as far as efficiency goes. So 22.6 + 45 = 67 lbs 6oz for the new combo. I remember reading that the stock 20's weighed in somewhere close it 73 lbs. Overall dimensions of this setup gave me a 32.6" wheel, .01" less than the ever so popular 285/70/17. It does limit your selection of tires, but I still found that I had enough options to make it worth while.

Enough of me talking, on to the pics...


The Bad: car is dirty, location was on a college campus and is less than scenic or cool, and there is a hurricane down south bringing rain, rain, and more rain. This was as good as it got for the time being.

The Good: wheels are AWESOME. The stance on the car is completely different now and it looks like a respectable vehicle.


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A few more pics and something I forgot to mention, I was able to fit the full size spare in the stock location without any trouble at full pressure. It sticks out a little bit as you can see in the pics but not lower than the diff. Also, I was not able to get my lift installed just yet so all of these pics are at stock height. There is some rubbing, but that can be easily addressed by pushing the front fender liner forward and inch or so.



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Looks good. With a 9" wide wheel, I would want a negative offset to give it a tad bit more push outwards. But yours look good.

Keep the build going.
 
Looks good. With a 9" wide wheel, I would want a negative offset to give it a tad bit more push outwards. But yours look good.

You mean that you would want the wheel to sit further outboard? As in past the fender wells? Wouldn't that put your truck at more risk for rock chips and constantly being dirty as puddles would be splashed directly onto your side?
I agree that it makes it look a tad more aggressive, but for me personally I don't think the extra risk to my paint is worth it.
 
You mean that you would want the wheel to sit further outboard? As in past the fender wells? Wouldn't that put your truck at more risk for rock chips and constantly being dirty as puddles would be splashed directly onto your side?
I agree that it makes it look a tad more aggressive, but for me personally I don't think the extra risk to my paint is worth it.

If you saw my paint after today you would know I am not to worried about a rock or two getting kicked up. I tend to wash my truck once a week due to my OCD with it. The negative offset I am running does push the wheels outboard a little bit but nothing huge. The tread of the tire sits just at the fender line but the sidewall bulges out past it a little.
 
Truck looks good. Where at in Atlanta are you located? Your gonna have to make it out to the next Georgia meet we have. The last one we had (or the last one I went to, not sure if there has been any more, but I was the only 5th gen. We gonna have to get more of us to represent!!
 
Nice choice in tire size, that's exactly the wheels and tire size I've been And get a large soda to sharecontemplating. 265/70/18 wide tire on a 9" wide wheel should provide much better handling than a 285/70/17. And the 265 also gives u plenty of space to not rub.

This reconfirms that I was on the right track.

Only thing that sucks is that I believe all 265/70/17 tires are only C Rated :(
 
18" and smaller wheels just look too small IMO on the 4Runner. Glad you like though and congrats!

I agree w/ TOYSTRY. However, I do like the offset fitment. It does fill up close enough to the fender without poking past. The truck looks pretty damn good for a "dirty" picture shoot. haha
 
The Good: wheels are AWESOME. The stance on the car is completely different now and it looks like a respectable vehicle.

Your truck looks great Toby! Thanks again! I'm eager to see some more photos once you have better weather. :)

Nice choice in tire size, that's exactly the wheels and tire size I've been And get a large soda to sharecontemplating. 265/70/18 wide tire on a 9" wide wheel should provide much better handling than a 285/70/17. And the 265 also gives u plenty of space to not rub.

This reconfirms that I was on the right track.

Only thing that sucks is that I believe all 265/70/17 tires are only C Rated :(

Michelin and Goodyear make E-Rated 265/70R18 tires, and if you go with a 285/65R18 (same overall diameter as 285/70R17 or 265/70R18) you have lots of E-Rated options.

Another thing to remember is that Toby went with 265/70R18 to get close to a 33" diameter, but he also chose this size for his fuel efficiency. E-Rated tires weren't a necessity for him. As he mentioned, he wanted to keep the overall assembly light-weight, and E-Rated and/or wider tires would have increased his weight. This isn't an issue for everyone, but it does explain his particular setup. If you're looking for an E-Rated setup, 285/65R18 would be a great tire size with a lot of options from a variety of tire manufacturers.

To those who said they would like the wheels/tires to stick out a little further, 285/65R18 would also accomplish this, since you'd have 10mm additional tire on the outside. The 65-series sidewall also tends to be a little more square than 70-series, giving a slightly more "squatty" look as well.

Not everyone's choice for tire sizes/styles/models will be the same, because the decisions will vary based on individual wants and needs, so it's always good to take motives into consideration when reviewing someone's particular setup or when deciding on your setup.
 
Truck looks good. Where at in Atlanta are you located? Your gonna have to make it out to the next Georgia meet we have. The last one we had (or the last one I went to, not sure if there has been any more, but I was the only 5th gen. We gonna have to get more of us to represent!!

Factory, thanks. I'm in Kennesaw, but my best buddy lives in Cumming so I make the trek over there every now and then. And yeah, I would enjoy meeting some of the other T4 guys, I am still pretty new to all of this and I am sure that I could learn quite a bit. How often are there GA events?
 
And the 265 also gives u plenty of space to not rub.


Only thing that sucks is that I believe all 265/70/17 tires are only C Rated :(
I still rub especially in revers even with my 2.5/1.5 lift installed. It will be easy to fix though, maybe I will get off my butt and take care of it. As far as the load rating goes, I wanted light weight and my wife wanted a decent ride quality, so E was out. Also I don't get to do much offloading where there are sharp rocks to puncture them. I spent the extra money to get a full size spare and I also bought the warranty from Discount Tire and if I ever pop one I just change it out then nurse the truck back to DT and get a new one for free. I feel confident that I won't have a problem.

18" and smaller wheels just look too small IMO on the 4Runner. Glad you like though and congrats!
Thanks TOYSTRY, and thanks for answering all my questions about the truck bed liner. I have been enjoying mine also!

Offset looks perfect!
Yeah it is pretty much perfect. I don't think the pics capture it well, the wheels sit almost perfectly flush. I will try to get better pics sooner or later. I doubt many people would want them to be any further out if they saw it in reality, but everyone has different tastes.

Your truck looks great Toby! Thanks again! I'm eager to see some more photos once you have better weather. :)

Another thing to remember is that Toby went with 265/70R18 to get close to a 33" diameter, but he also chose this size for his fuel efficiency. E-Rated tires weren't a necessity for him.

I still can't get my head around the MPG though. I weighed my stock wheel/tire combo at just over 70lbs. I weighed my new setup at 68lbs. I have taken a pretty big hit in MPG so far, as in 4mpg. I know I went from 245 to 265 and a slightly more aggressive tread pattern but dear lord, 4mpg is WAAAY too much ESPECIALLY considering I reduced the rotational mass. I havent been through enough testing yet, but so far I am terrified. I just can't wrap my head around it as I know people who have run bigger and heavier combos in 285/70/17 who only lose 2-3 mpg with more aggressive tread. BTW I already calculated the change in overall diameter when I did my figures...:confused:
 
Factory, thanks. I'm in Kennesaw, but my best buddy lives in Cumming so I make the trek over there every now and then. And yeah, I would enjoy meeting some of the other T4 guys, I am still pretty new to all of this and I am sure that I could learn quite a bit. How often are there GA events?

I hear ya man. Your right down the street from me then. I spend most of my time in Marietta. I live down here in an apartment while I'm here at Southern Poly. And from everything I've gathered, the events seem annually. We need to get them more frequent though. Our last meet, was maybe a year ago I think? We all met down at the varsity in Atlanta, but there was only a handful of us to show up.
 
Just a quick thought for anyone considering doing business with FN Wheels.

When I bought my wheels from FN I ended up going with their lug nuts as well, and they ended up being splined nuts. Discount Tire decided they liked the key and I was too stupid to realize it all until a few weeks later. I emailed Dustin at FN to see about ordering a replacement key, and he not only gave me one for free, he also shipped it for free. I realize that it was not a $1000 part nor was shipping outrageous, but the fact of the matter is a company spent its own money to keep a customer happy AFTER the transaction had been completed. This is somewhat rare nowadays and I thought it was worth mentioning on this forum.
 
Just a quick thought for anyone considering doing business with FN Wheels.

When I bought my wheels from FN I ended up going with their lug nuts as well, and they ended up being splined nuts. Discount Tire decided they liked the key and I was too stupid to realize it all until a few weeks later. I emailed Dustin at FN to see about ordering a replacement key, and he not only gave me one for free, he also shipped it for free. I realize that it was not a $1000 part nor was shipping outrageous, but the fact of the matter is a company spent its own money to keep a customer happy AFTER the transaction had been completed. This is somewhat rare nowadays and I thought it was worth mentioning on this forum.
+1

I just ordered my wheels today from Dustin. His communication and input, even on things that really didn't relate 'directly' to wheels (e.g. lift, tire size recommendations, brands, etc) was really great. He clearly loves what he does and enjoys being thorough.. That is something you really VERY rarely find these days.

If you are looking for more than just a price...drop them a line!!

Looking forward to getting my wheels (and lift, and tires, and...).
 
Thank you guys! I just try to treat everyone as I would like to be treated. That's our company philosophy, and I really try to stick to it.

It's easy when I have great customers that are a pleasure to deal with and share interests with too. :thumb3:
 

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