Ham & off road

I kept mine simple. I use a Yaesu FT-250R HT handheld radio with a Diamond NR-770HB antenna on a lip mount on my hood. For the few times a year I use it the setup works fine and wasn't too expensive. We like the handheld radios because we can take them with us if we go hiking, when we go boating, or go shoot model rockets in the desert. For the car I just plug in the DC power and the speaker-mic. Sure it's only 5W but I don't really need more than that. :)
 
CONGRATS on passing the test! I took mine just before Thanksgiving, then decided to punish myself by taking the General in December, then destroying my brain studying for the Extra exam in January. The Yaesu FT-857D is a great rig from what I hear (wanting to pick one up) but you'll need your General to use all the frequencies. I'm in a similar boat as you... trying to find the best approach. I currently have a Yaesu VX-8DR handi-talkie. There are some nets that broadcast off a repeater about 20 miles away. Sadly... even with a quality aftermarket antenna or even a magmount antenna, I can not open the repeater. I'm thinking I really need to bump up to the 857 and get a 5/8 antenna to do so. Interestingly, I've been places that it may be a reach to get to a repeater. (IE: Big Bend National or State Parks... closest repeaters can be as much as 30 miles away... never mind line of site limitations.)

Definitely let me know the direction you go.... I'm still working through this one. :)

73!
K5JPC
 
Just a few extra bits of info on a few items here. As a ham for the past 25 years, I've done my fair share of modding radios! Yes, there really ARE radios that are "modifiable" to be used on cb frequencies, although its technically illegal to transmit on cb channels with a ham radio. Personally, its sort of silly, as long as you keep your power down to its minimum, there's really no difference in the way a ham radio transmits vs. a cb, but just so I don't get a bunch of shite, I am in no way condoning the use of ham radios on the citizens band!

Of course, radios that do HF that are also modifiable, are quite expensive, and you need to be handy with a range of electronic stuff to do some of the mods for transmitting on the cb band. There is a plus to having one of those radios, as you can usually modify them to also transmit on the FRS/GMRS frequencies too, so one radio does all the bands. I have been using an Icom IC-706 for the past 10+ years now and absolutely love it.

My suggestion would be to get yourself a ham repeater book, that will be the best way to find repeaters in the area you visit. It also helps to understand a few things on your radio, such as band scanning (for 2M, you would scan between 144.900 and 148.000), as well as using PL tones (and how to program your radio to transmit them so you can access repeaters).

If you're with a group or club, and they use amateur radios for communications, just ask them what frequencies they will be using. More than likely, they will probably use FRS radios or cb radios, as most folks don't have a license for the amateur frequencies.

If you do intend on using ham frequencies while you're out, you really won't want to be on any repeaters, as the local users will not be happy about tying up the repeater while you're out in the hills! Yeah, a lot of the old fogies will get a bit testy with their repeaters being tied up!

Try setting a "simplex" frequency with your buddies around 146.500 (use this chart http://www.pasty.com/~ccraa/band-plan.png for finding what frequencies are for what type of transmissions), you'll be close to the national simplex calling frequency of 146.520, but won't bother anyone that might want to call out on it, yet still near it for others who might be scanning around to listen in or contact ya.

Congrats to the OP on passing the license! It really isn't that hard, so long as you're good at memorizing the answers! The tests nowadays are nothing compared to when I took mine, and I've held an extra class license for a long time! Yes, I really did have to learn morse code to get my Novice, General and Extra-class licenses back in the day!

If you're thinking of doing it, I've helped many folks pass their tech tests just by doing the free online tests, over, and over, and over, and over, and over!!! About a month's worth of doing that (and passing them) and you'll be ready for the real thing! It also helps to find someone who can explain things that make no sense, so find someone who's been a ham for a while and bug the hell outta them. I promise, they'll actually enjoy it more than you!!!
 
Lots of us use 146.46 for Simplex, but there are some excellent repeaters out in remote areas that enable you to communicate over 25-50 mile radius. Mazourka Peak in the Inyos, east of independence, CA is one. The guys who maintain. It also does a net, where all the hams camping throuout the adjacent Sierra and Inyos call in.
 
I have been a long time HAM, like 20yrs.... just not too active....

I have always been an Yaesu fan, 20yrs ago I was, 20yrs later I still am....

I just got my 4Runner, and I am thinking about adding a HAM to it....

The ones that I have been thinking about is either FT8800R or FT8900R, how can 8900R's buttons are lit and 8800R's are not? I thought they share the same mic and front..... just that 8800 is U/V only while 8900 also do 29/50.... it is kind of moot now that they are only $20 delta

What do you guys recommend?

I am attracted to Yaesu 8800/8900 for the x-band-repeat features.... so it can kind of be the repeater for a bunch of handhelds around camp...

They weren't the highest power output tho., while most high output units (75W/100W) seem to be single band only...... please recommend some if you have some in mind...

Thanks in advance!
 
Lots of us use 146.46 for Simplex, but there are some excellent repeaters out in remote areas that enable you to communicate over 25-50 mile radius. Mazourka Peak in the Inyos, east of independence, CA is one. The guys who maintain. It also does a net, where all the hams camping throuout the adjacent Sierra and Inyos call in.

Unfortunately 146.46 was somewhat recently assigned to be an inter-repeater comm link frequency. I don't know if it's actually being used around here for that but it's probably best to plan on maybe finding another channel.

Honestly we could as a group (t4r group) pick one for ourselves so if your out in the desert you can call out to see if there are any other 4runners around :D

Just wish it was more popular. The test, while not hard, does keep the numbers down a lot. I have a heck of a time trying to convince the three friends I have locally to even think about taking the test when FRS works "ok".
 
Race Radio

There is also "race" radio, which uses frequencies just above above 2m ham. This is part of the business band, used by taxi companies and so forth. Race radio was developed to enable comms for Baja 100/500, and is now used at lots of races, like King of The Hammers. It is 50-65 watts typically for mobile and works really well. Downside is that use of it without a license associated with a specific frequency is probably not legal. It is widely used however within the off-road racing community, you can check out PCI Race Radio in Long Beach,or Rugged Radio in San Luis Obispo for details. As you can see, you could end up with CB, Ham, Race Radio and FRS just so you could communicate with everyone!
 
Just wish it was more popular. The test, while not hard, does keep the numbers down a lot. I have a heck of a time trying to convince the three friends I have locally to even think about taking the test when FRS works "ok".
Yeah FRS works just fine for line of sight so it makes it really easy to use for spotting and recoveries. We usually get a pretty mixed bag of drivers on our trail runs so it's pretty difficult to tell someone new to wheeling that they need to pass a test and buy an expensive (relative to FRS) radio if they want to be able to communicate on the trail. Then you get all the Jeep guys who only run CB around here. Plus with most FRS radios being sold in pairs most of us have a spare to lend out to newer drivers.
 
Yeah FRS works just fine for line of sight so it makes it really easy to use for spotting and recoveries. We usually get a pretty mixed bag of drivers on our trail runs so it's pretty difficult to tell someone new to wheeling that they need to pass a test and buy an expensive (relative to FRS) radio if they want to be able to communicate on the trail. Then you get all the Jeep guys who only run CB around here. Plus with most FRS radios being sold in pairs most of us have a spare to lend out to newer drivers.

^^^^ Yup! :D

Actually I wanted to clarify my comment about the use of 146.46 as a simplex frequency, that applies to Southern California and may be completely different for other areas. I was starting to think I was in the SoCal forum or something there :D
 
^^^^ Yup! :D

Actually I wanted to clarify my comment about the use of 146.46 as a simplex frequency, that applies to Southern California and may be completely different for other areas. I was starting to think I was in the SoCal forum or something there :D

We use that freq. for off-road simplex up here too. Intruder and I were just using it the other day during a run as a matter of fact, to communicate from the front to the back of the pack where FRS usually gets a bit sketchy.
 
WOW Lots of good info, thanks to all the Elmers!
[MENTION=89257]TravelWest01[/MENTION] [MENTION=3475]warthog[/MENTION] Thank you for the frequency recommendation and the TASMA Link, I will have to save it and print out what’s relevant.
[MENTION=89562]bimrunner[/MENTION] & [MENTION=49966]mikey's2010SR5[/MENTION] Thanks for the radio recommendations, I will look into both.
[MENTION=66300]Intruder[/MENTION] Thanks for the info, what are your thoughts about the 857D aside from it being overkill?
How’s the clarity and the functionality of the radio? I want a radio that I can grow into and never want to replace.
I understand the importance of the antenna, and I can always carry extra antennas with me. Some of these HAMS carry
Al kinds of extra stuff with them, it’s crazy how into it some of the HAMS are, not to saying it’s a bad thing :)
[MENTION=15489]orbit[/MENTION]alDebris I like where your face place is and I was going to look into having the 857D fitting in that same area where yours mounted but
It doesn’t seem that it will fit based off of what [MENTION=66300]Intruder[/MENTION] described. I would like APRS/GPC functionality so I can transmit my location to the wife
More than anything else. Though, I don’t know if APRS will be accessible (from my truck) in remote areas.
[MENTION=79571]WU7X[/MENTION] Simplex is an option, I just want it all so I can get a hold of one frequency or another.
[MENTION=86748]Ol'Baditude[/MENTION] I youtube’d the FTM-400DR and it looks like a neat radio. How’s the performance and the ease of use since there isn’t
A numerical key pad to punch in, in field frequencies.
[MENTION=107716]jpclark[/MENTION] I need a break from studying for abstract information test taking lol. However, if you are feeling generous, you can share your material and I will give you a shout out on the air waves!!! :phone:

Now - who wants to share their QSL!
 
WOW Lots of good info, thanks to all the Elmers!

[MENTION=86748]Ol'Baditude[/MENTION] I youtube’d the FTM-400DR and it looks like a neat radio. How’s the performance and the ease of use since there isn’t
A numerical key pad to punch in, in field frequencies.



It's an excellent radio in all regards. Just as good, if not better than any other Dual Band mobile on the market in terms of Transceiver performance.
It's the touch-screen usability that was the deciding factor for me, everything is just so easy to set up and dial in. That, and you get GPS and x-band repeat all in one radio without having to add an antenna or other accessories.
And there is a numerical key pad, both on the screen(you just have to bring it up), and on the mic. Channel setting and navigating settings menus is very simple. Oh, and the mic allows you to do all kinds of other stuff as well, such as backlighting, set TX power level, set digital/analog mode, etc. Same as the one that comes with the 8800 and 8900 as far as I know.

As for installation and mounting, have a look at the build thread in my sig if you haven't already. I've changed things a bit since then, mainly I switched out the x-mount and used a RAM mount ball with an M5 thread on the end, then used a M5/M6 adapter to screw in to the back of the radio. Very clean/solid mount, and no interference with the GPS sensor at all now.
 
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We use 146.460 up here as well for trails. I was shocked about the distance with simplex. We estimated that one of the understandable transmissions to be approximately 40 miles. Of course this was one radio being up on a hill and one down in a valley will little trees or buildings getting in the way.
 
[MENTION=66300]Intruder[/MENTION] Thanks for the info, what are your thoughts about the 857D aside from it being overkill?
How’s the clarity and the functionality of the radio? I want a radio that I can grow into and never want to replace.
I understand the importance of the antenna, and I can always carry extra antennas with me. Some of these HAMS carry
Al kinds of extra stuff with them, it’s crazy how into it some of the HAMS are, not to saying it’s a bad thing :)

For mobile comms having HF isn't necessary. The radio is very clear and powerful combined with a good antenna, but I'm sure you could get a cheaper unit and still have it work as well on VHF/UHF. I should point out that I only have my license and radio for communication when I'm on the trail and otherwise have zero interest in amateur radio. If I want to talk to someone when I'm not on a trail my phone and Internet connection both work just fine ;)

What are Elmers and QSL?
 
For mobile comms having HF isn't necessary. The radio is very clear and powerful combined with a good antenna, but I'm sure you could get a cheaper unit and still have it work as well on VHF/UHF. I should point out that I only have my license and radio for communication when I'm on the trail and otherwise have zero interest in amateur radio. If I want to talk to someone when I'm not on a trail my phone and Internet connection both work just fine ;)

What are Elmers and QSL?

C'mooon get on the waves and have a friendly chat, lol..

That's the reason I got my license as well, for that and emergency preparedness. There are a few emergency groups that communicate on HAM frequencies, but than again in an emergency no one is tracking call signs.

Anyway - So if you would to do it again you would choose a different radio? Or why did you go with that choice to begin with? while HF isn't a necessity, it could be useful to use the 10 meter band in an 'an all hell broke loose' scenario.

Elmer - HAM Radio mentor
QSL - Call sign card to confirm 2 way communication..
How did you pass the test!!!
 
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I want to go on record. I lied. I don't have the 8900. I have the FT-7900. D'oh! I don't really know why I thought I had the 8900. Fwiw, the FT-7900 is excellent but I only have it for trails. I think I tuned in to a local repeater a few times and was bored... Lol
 
Anyway - So if you would to do it again you would choose a different radio? Or why did you go with that choice to begin with? while HF isn't a necessity, it could be useful to use the 10 meter band in an 'an all hell broke loose' scenario.
I went with the 857D because of HF since I got the Basic with Honours license (up here that means you passed with over 80%) but didn't do enough research first. The guy at the store told me the ATAS antenna would work but it was terrible. I think if I had mounted it on top of my roof rack it would've worked ok but that would've lasted 5 minutes on the trail before being taken out by a branch. The reviews on the ATAS antenna are pretty mixed. If I had to do it over again I'd rather just get a more basic VHF/UHF with dual channel and cross-band repeat. The 857D has a ton of stuff I'll never use which means I sometimes accidentally press the wrong button and have no idea which mode I'm in. Maybe I should read the manual some day...


How did you pass the test!!!
Remember those guys you went to school with who barely studied but still did really well because they just remembered stuff? :D I took a two-day crash course where the instructor already had the exam. He emphasized the stuff that would be on the exam and I highlighted those things and ignored the rest.
 

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