they are nice, the only thing i dont like about full length on the 3rd gens or 4runners in general is, there is no support for the front of the rack. they hang out a bit too far from the end of the rails, and well they weigh more too. this rack we cut down the wall thickness quite a bit and will do so again on the next one to make it even lighter weight. its still stupid strong and over built. this one the light bar is removable so you can have it with or without, as well as giving you more options on what lights you can run. i personally do like the expanded metal floor in the first rack we built better than the 1/4" rod we used, i think it keeps things up off the roof better(like straps, cords, rope and or other smaller lose items but we can do both