Is a Hi Lift Jack Absolutely Needed?

[KidVermicious]

Oh FFS.

That's one of the ways to lift a vehicle I was talking about in my post above. If you read my posts, rather than just trying to bash me personally, you'd comprehend that.

Then why the f*** did you say

And this is the question the OP posed. Where do you lift a 4Runner with a hi-lift jack? I still don't know the answer

I'm reading your posts. The problem with trying to understand what you're arguing about is YOU don't understand what you're arguing about. You're stumbling around the thread pulling bullshit out of thin air trying to look like you know what you're talking about and then pulling more bullshit out of your ass trying to save face and confuse the issue when you get called on it.

This is a thread on vehicle recovery, which is relatively serious business. Wanna-be knowitalls like you fumbling around giving bad advice is not helpful. Please stop digging yourself deeper. Please please PLEASE just accept that you know nothing about lifting a vehicle with a Hi Lift, that everybody else in the thread now knows that you know nothing about lifting a vehicle with a Hi Lift, PLEASE stop trying to save face and just recognize that you ran your mouth with nothing to back it up and you've been schooled, PLEASE take your lumps and shut UP for hell's sake. You've made this thread nearly useless with your antics, and if I were a moderator I'd move all your posts to a new thread so the rest of us could jump up and down on you like you deserve without sidetracking this thread any more. I hope you understand, I'm not trying to insult you or make you look bad, I'm not trying to "win" or make myself look better, I'm trying to help you understand that a thread on recovery is not the place to pretend you know what you're talking about.

Please be done now. I will be if you will. Thank you.

 

[DannyLlama]

While on topic, why not just use a jack?!

Here are the pics ...

See the jack. What a life saver. I cannot begin to express how glad I am that I finally started carrying this floor jack with me on trips instead of the high lift jack. This is so much easier and safer to use.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003UM7B98

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http://www.toyota-4runner.org/so-cal/207074-death-valley-run-nov-20-23-24-bonus-day-7.html#post2191826

 

[STX4Runner]

So now will we start seeing the newest poser accessory be a floor jack mounted to your hood?

 

[redkat]

The Lift Mate is not compatible with all wheels. It does NOT work with the TRD Pro black aluminum rim. I tried it, no go.

The Hi lift is not too useful for my stock 4runner pro, it has limited options for lifting with it.

I think a floor jack would sink in sand, never tried it though.

I like the inflatable design of the x-jack. I'm wondering if that creates any unfavorable exhaust back pressure when filling?
Ive never messed with flowing exhaust, so i don't know.

 

[wfo9]

Serious question - has anyone with long travel rear lifted with a 48" jack? Does it have enough travel to get off the ground? I find that in my Land Crusier the 48" size often isn't tall enough to get the tires off the ground, and it's only about 12" travel on each end, but starts just a bit higher.

Having a 48" jack is a bummer when you need 49" of lift....

It can barley do it if you don't articulate... (lift from the center), but it is super sketchy.... I have an integrated bottlejack/jackstand for lifting the axle up. The high lift at that height is beyond unstable. I would only do it to get a jack stand or something solid under the axle.... Since I got the MTRs... I sort of feel invincible when it comes to flats, but I know that is still possible.

 

[cbielat]

I'm glad I carry mine. I destroyed 2 tpms valve stems and had to replace them. We used my Hi-Lift to break the beads of the tires to replace the valves with rubber ones. You can see my friend here working on one of them. Put the base of the jack on the tire and the finger under the slider. Worked like a charm. My jack is the 60". I went with this one due to my front and rear long travel.

 

[cbielat]

The Lift Mate is not compatible with all wheels. It does NOT work with the TRD Pro black aluminum rim. I tried it, no go.

The Hi lift is not too useful for my stock 4runner pro, it has limited options for lifting with it.

I think a floor jack would sink in sand, never tried it though.

I like the inflatable design of the x-jack. I'm wondering if that creates any unfavorable exhaust back pressure when filling?
Ive never messed with flowing exhaust, so i don't know.

Is it useful for a stock SR5, Trail and Limited?

 

[1engineer]

Alright guys, some of your silly comments have caused one locked thread already today. If you keep it up this one will be locked too. You know who you are. Clean it up...

 

[CatskillsRunner]

I'm glad I carry mine. I destroyed 2 tpms valve stems and had to replace them. We used my Hi-Lift to break the beads of the tires to replace the valves with rubber ones. You can see my friend here working on one of them. Put the base of the jack on the tire and the finger under the slider. Worked like a charm. My jack is the 60". I went with this one due to my front and rear long travel.

At OEX last spring we were all aired down and drove over a pretty nasty, rotten bridge. [MENTION=19164]Greydog[/MENTION] (iirc) went through and once we were done for the day he realized some of that rotten wood was lodged between the rim and the tire.

They broke the bead the same way to clean out the tire before reseating it.

 

[Jhalko]

Maybe I'll just hold off and start thread topics on Maxtrax or shackles. Thanks.

Even when these threads go many directions there is still good info, I always look at both sides of the inevitable arguments and make my own judgement. I'll be completely honest, I sure give it the respect it deserves for sure as you only have to watch a few videos to see improper usage causing serious injury. Keep in mind it costs less than $100 and I know there will be times when I'm glad to have it.

Other than people hitting the line and getting the @1E warning most of the time controversial threads can be more informative than when everyone agrees on something. It may give some pause where needed in off-road situations when they think back to things like this...

 

[ECUDrummer]

Even when these threads go many directions there is still good info, I always look at both sides of the inevitable arguments and make my own judgement. I'll be completely honest, I sure give it the respect it deserves for sure as you only have to watch a few videos to see improper usage causing serious injury. Keep in mind it costs less than $100 and I know there will be times when I'm glad to have it.



Other than people hitting the line and getting the @1E warning most of the time controversial threads can be more informative than when everyone agrees on something. It may give some pause where needed in off-road situations when they think back to things like this...

Oh I found it to be very informative. Just took a little time to root through it and find out what I needed to know. Just making a funny.

 

[OneGreenTaco]

Yes I was lifted via the receiver hitch. No aftermarket rear bumper and my sliders were likely not the best option as I was high centered. The hi-lift was essentially used to give the rear end some oompf to push it over the edge of the bank. It didn't take much and I was off and rolling again. Many thanks to [MENTION=132027]OneGreenTaco[/MENTION] for his expertise!

Yeah, was the day I jacked Corey off....



....a muddy bank at the Cove.:drum:

 

[FrontRange4Runner]

Anything that costs less than 2 tanks of gas is worth having. Just make sure you know how to actually use it first.

 

[Ron4RNevada]

Some of you are forgetting that the OP is new and inexperienced at this and we are far from being on topic. With that said let me interject some reality:

If you have never used a hi lift jack before please go take a course in recovery first. All you have to do is watch a few youtube videos to realize how quickly things can go wrong using one incorrectly. They are just like any other tool: They can be very useful when used by someone who knows what they are doing and downright dangerous when used by someone who has no experience with it.

Yes, using the hitch as a jacking point is acceptable and has nothing to do with tow ratings and everything to do with number of bolts in shear, mounting location and strength of materials. With that said it is probably one of the worst locations to use for recovery. Why? Balance. You are depending on a central point of single support to lift. Any slip or imbalance will cause a uneven loading condition and thatcan cause the vehicle to drop and crush anything or anyone under it. There are many safer jacking points than the rear hitch.

Lastly, you guys with lots of recovery experience please remember your audience here. Many of them have never even gotten a vehicle stuck before much less recovered one on their own. Try to keep your comments in a thread such as this to "Recovery 101" level and save the advanced discussion to threads specific to veterans of off road. Otherwise I am going to start forwarding my pm's from new guys to some of you lol. Just imagine you are teaching a recovery class. Are you going to start with using a hi lift under a hitch on a off camber patch of trail? I don't think so...

Well said. Personally I've never used a high lift jack other than the old days when every car I owned came with steel bumpers and a bumper jack. I just turned 75 today and have done a lot of recoveries. With that said:

I have used the 2 inch class 3 receiver for 99% of the recoveries I've done.

Even an 1 1/2 class 2 works very well for recoveries, even using a snatch strap.

A few hunks of 2x6 and a couple of regular bottle jacks and scissors jack work better and safer than a hi lift.

Straps, shacles and a hand come along are your fiend. Especially with another truck along.
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[Sundog7121]

Poser that I am, I carry my jack, axe and shovel all the time on the roof.

Gonna put them on my new Gobi Stealth rack when it arrives.

We (a group of us) got caught in about 18" of snow without jack, axe or shovel and it was a nightmare getting out.


I said "never again".

And I meant it.

(And since I have Demello sliders, I plan to use the sliders as jacking points if needed. Even on the interstate!)

 

[marshal]

Alright guys, some of your silly comments have caused one locked thread already today. If you keep it up this one will be locked too. You know who you are. Clean it up...