Is it possible to add TRD PRO suspension?

[Jeremy556]

and i guarantee they're trained to do it too. progressive shocks can be valved the same way as digressive, a lot more simply

No training here.

Progressive vs digressive is simply the size and ordering of the valve shims and the piston. You could literally change Icon's to linear, or Kings to digressive, if you wanted to, by changing piston and shim stacks. I didn't change my valving this time, but I have on other shocks.

 

[crackiswack]

Alright, nobody is throwing their money away if they order TRD Pro suspension components. Why? Well, one thing is the warranty and the guarantee it will work with the existing OEM components. How much is that worth? Also the local Toyota garage can service it. No need to send it out to get rebuilt or a specialty shop to do it.

I get what you are saying. You can buy, in your minds, higher quality components for the same price. Not everyone thinks like you do though. Case in point: FJ | Models | ICON
These guys will spend 175 large for a 50 year old truck to go out and rock crawl. Are they spending too much? Should they have just get a 4Runner with good components?

The warranty is only a year, which is pretty much worthless

 

[Saker]

Well the ID of the tube is 46mm so unless the shock housing is 3/4" think then I don't think they are 2.5" OD. They are bigger then stock but not that big.

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And it's the amount of lift that can be used with these shocks not what they provide. Meaning you can use up to a 2" lift spring in the rear with these shocks.

What you have posted is not the same coilover and rear shock as the TRD Pro Suspension.
The front is 2.5" in DIA (60mm) the rear is 2" DIA (46mm) with remote reservoirs.
Go to a dealership that has one on the lot and look for yourself.
I have.

The TRD Pro Suspension fronts have only 2 perch clip locations, unlike the 5100's that have more and is a smaller dia shock. It is 2" (46mm) you linked to

 

[manofsteele2003]

Calm down, calm down don't get your panties bunch up, I was wrong geez.

 

[Saker]

Calm down, calm down don't get your panties bunch up, I was wrong geez.

I am calm...
just clarifing what you stated was incorrect.....
Not even going to address your other stupid remark.
At least you stated you were incorrect after trying to state something that is obvious if you read it.
It just sounds like you are the one that's upset because someone broke it down for you after you posted some eronious details.
Buh Bye!

 

[manofsteele2003]

Well my statement about the 5100's was correct just not the TRD setup. And yes I'm very upset, Im pretty sure I'll lose sleep over it.

 

[marshal]

Alright, nobody is throwing their money away if they order TRD Pro suspension components. Why? Well, one thing is the warranty and the guarantee it will work with the existing OEM components. How much is that worth? Also the local Toyota garage can service it. No need to send it out to get rebuilt or a specialty shop to do it.

I get what you are saying. You can buy, in your minds, higher quality components for the same price. Not everyone thinks like you do though. Case in point: FJ | Models | ICON
These guys will spend 175 large for a 50 year old truck to go out and rock crawl. Are they spending too much? Should they have just get a 4Runner with good components?

i get what you're saying, but i totally disagree. i don't think its fair to compare an ICON truck to suggesting they are wasting money because they want to spend too much money on OEM components that are easily rivaled. thats not a fair comparison. you should want the ICON FJ, vs spending the same amount of some blinged out SEMA hideous monster. you're buying smarter.

the TRD Pro shocks may have reservoirs on them, be larger, and look cooler - but there are so many smarter ways of doing it. its like the people who buy take off Jeep Rubicon suspension parts and put it on a lesser model and think they're getting a serious upgrade.

 

[Jhalko]

there are so many smarter ways of doing it.

but for the people that don't know what they are and aren't members of this site, it's probably a decent way of saving themselves from doing something worse. Plus some just want OE and it's their money...

 

[dennisnky]

What about these?

I don't want to spend a lot of time trying to figure out what shocks are the greatest aftermarket option for an upgrade to my 2015 4Runner. However, I would like a little bit of lift and the fact that the TRD Pro suspension is offered as a part of a stock style offering, seems to make it a decent option without requiring a lot of knowledge. I actually wanted the TRD Pro, but didn't want white, black, or orange, plus it wasn't available with a third row. Seemed like one review said that the bilstein shocks and spring setup are softer as well as have more travel.

This kit below looks like it would come with the springs that give the little bit of lift, same as on the TRD Pro style option. Does that sound right? Supposedly the TRD Pro 4Runner has 1.5 inches lift in the front and 0 inches lift in the rear.
It says "Not compatible with vehicles with KDSS" but I believe the KDSS is an option available with the Trail edition, but I just have a basic SR5, so hoping this kit might fit.


http://trdshop.com/products/ptr13-89150

Thoughts?


Thanks!

 

[Cypher]

I don't want to spend a lot of time trying to figure out what shocks are the greatest aftermarket option for an upgrade to my 2015 4Runner. However, I would like a little bit of lift and the fact that the TRD Pro suspension is offered as a part of a stock style offering, seems to make it a decent option without requiring a lot of knowledge. I actually wanted the TRD Pro, but didn't want white, black, or orange, plus it wasn't available with a third row. Seemed like one review said that the bilstein shocks and spring setup are softer as well as have more travel.

This kit below looks like it would come with the springs that give the little bit of lift, same as on the TRD Pro style option. Does that sound right? Supposedly the TRD Pro 4Runner has 1.5 inches lift in the front and 0 inches lift in the rear.
It says "Not compatible with vehicles with KDSS" but I believe the KDSS is an option available with the Trail edition, but I just have a basic SR5, so hoping this kit might fit.


Suspension Kit, TRD Pro - 4Runner (2010+) - TRDShop.com

Thoughts?


Thanks!

Yes, that will fit your SR5 with out issue. I have checked into this with Toyota as I am selling that exact suspension here and will take $1000 for it:

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/sale-...sion-$1200-obo-scottsdale-az.html#post1929074

I don't care what others have had to say about the TRD Pro suspension, I have been driving on it for over 1000 miles, 70 days, and have had it off-road. It is not a high end ICON or Radflo suspension but it is damn good. Especially for the price. It is by far the best off-road focused suspension from the factory that Toyota has ever released. Through my years and many off-road vehicle builds, I have been through lots of suspensions both cheap ass crap and high end. The dampening and spring rate are tuned perfectly for the weight of the 4Runner and the ride quality both on and off-road are amazing. I am upgrading the suspension because I need the extra load capacity with everything that I am planning on adding to the truck (sliders, skids, front bumper, winch, dual swing out rear bumper, fridge, storage drawers, full length roof rack, awning, etc). It is going to get heavy and the TRDP suspension will not handle that amount of weight.

Let me know if you have any questions.

 

[borfoo3]

So why would the TRD Pro suspension not fit the KDSS models when the bilstein 6112s and 5160s would work?? I thought those two were pretty much identical (i.e. bilstein manufactures the TRD branded ones for Toyota)?

 

[abtrdpro]

Yes, that will fit your SR5 with out issue. I have checked into this with Toyota as I am selling that exact suspension here and will take $1000 for it:

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/sale-...sion-$1200-obo-scottsdale-az.html#post1929074

I don't care what others have had to say about the TRD Pro suspension, I have been driving on it for over 1000 miles, 70 days, and have had it off-road. It is not a high end ICON or Radflo suspension but it is damn good. Especially for the price. It is by far the best off-road focused suspension from the factory that Toyota has ever released. Through my years and many off-road vehicle builds, I have been through lots of suspensions both cheap ass crap and high end. The dampening and spring rate are tuned perfectly for the weight of the 4Runner and the ride quality both on and off-road are amazing. I am upgrading the suspension because I need the extra load capacity with everything that I am planning on adding to the truck (sliders, skids, front bumper, winch, dual swing out rear bumper, fridge, storage drawers, full length roof rack, awning, etc). It is going to get heavy and the TRDP suspension will not handle that amount of weight.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Good morning. I read your post and have a couple questions. I recently purchased the TRD Pro and will not be doing any hard core off roading but do drive on trails in our Nevada desert and love how smooth this vehicle handles them as well as highway driving. I came from a loaded up lifted FJ so I'm thrilled with the new ride quality in every way. With that being said, I'm looking to add a roof rack (Gobi Stealth) and some sliders and MAYBE a small push bar up front. Do you think that the stock TRD suspension can handle those minor mods? I'm also looking to level the front to match the back and was wondering if you are aware of a leveling kit available. My local dealerships parts department has no clue because of how new the model is (so they say) but thought I'd ask just in case. My goal is part visual, a bit more ground clearance and sitting just a bit higher on the road but don't want to buy new suspension. I like the idea of the stock stuff being fully warrantied. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

 

[Speedy Gomez]

There is nothing special about the Trd pro suspension, nothing at all. You'd be throwing money away

That's right I second that notion! TRD Pro WHO!

 

[P-KRUNNER]

Good morning. I read your post and have a couple questions. I recently purchased the TRD Pro and will not be doing any hard core off roading but do drive on trails in our Nevada desert and love how smooth this vehicle handles them as well as highway driving. I came from a loaded up lifted FJ so I'm thrilled with the new ride quality in every way. With that being said, I'm looking to add a roof rack (Gobi Stealth) and some sliders and MAYBE a small push bar up front. Do you think that the stock TRD suspension can handle those minor mods? I'm also looking to level the front to match the back and was wondering if you are aware of a leveling kit available. My local dealerships parts department has no clue because of how new the model is (so they say) but thought I'd ask just in case. My goal is part visual, a bit more ground clearance and sitting just a bit higher on the road but don't want to buy new suspension. I like the idea of the stock stuff being fully warrantied. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

I was waiting for others to respond because the 4x4 shop looked at me like I was crazy when I told them that some of the "plushness" disappeared after adding sliders and rack to my TRDPRO. I don't think I'm imagining it though.

Here is the kit you want to level the front Front Top Plate Spacer Kit
You'll need front end alignment with the install.

I put sliders on first without much noticed difference to ride quality. The ride got a little stiffer after the addition of a gobi rack (also handles slightly different but you adjust to the added roof weight pretty quickly). Figure about 100lbs for the rack/ladder and another hundred for the sliders. The setup definitely looks great though.

 

[OliverBox]

Yes, that will fit your SR5 with out issue. I have checked into this with Toyota as I am selling that exact suspension here and will take $1000 for it:

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/sale-...sion-$1200-obo-scottsdale-az.html#post1929074

I don't care what others have had to say about the TRD Pro suspension, I have been driving on it for over 1000 miles, 70 days, and have had it off-road. It is not a high end ICON or Radflo suspension but it is damn good. Especially for the price. It is by far the best off-road focused suspension from the factory that Toyota has ever released. Through my years and many off-road vehicle builds, I have been through lots of suspensions both cheap ass crap and high end. The dampening and spring rate are tuned perfectly for the weight of the 4Runner and the ride quality both on and off-road are amazing. I am upgrading the suspension because I need the extra load capacity with everything that I am planning on adding to the truck (sliders, skids, front bumper, winch, dual swing out rear bumper, fridge, storage drawers, full length roof rack, awning, etc). It is going to get heavy and the TRDP suspension will not handle that amount of weight.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Thank you VERY much for this response. I'm in the exact same situations as the member who asked the question to which you responded. What you've said is VERY helpful. I just bought a 2015 SR5P and I don't plan on doing a lot of off-road stuff, but I would like a little more capability for emergencies and some trail use.

I would also like to add a few accessories, and now I'm concerned about weight with the TRD Pro suspension. I won't be adding nearly all of the heavy duty equipment that you've listed, but I would like to add a roof rack, a grille Guard and rear bumper guard (which I realize aren't real off-road protection, but I'm mostly dodging grocery carts). I won't need any heavy bumpers or a winch. Will I be OK with the TRD suspension with those accessories? Thanks in advance for your help.

 

[sbsyncro]

Problems with aftermarket suspension like Icon Vehicle Dynamics

Reviving a bit of an old thread here, but I came across this while Google searching the ability to swap out the TRD pro setup into a "Trail" version. Reason? A local guy selling a 2013 did this on his Trail. I'm shopping for a TRD Pro version, but I like the idea of KDSS on the Trail (which is not available on the TRD Pro).

So there's a reason to swap out the Trail suspension for something with more lift and remote reservoirs like the TRD Pro setup. Yup, you could go aftermarket - and here is why I felt compelled to register for this site so I could post...

I've had a 2005 Tundra DC 4x4 since it was new. I've run Bilstein 5100s and am now running Icon 2.5" coilovers on it (along with Camburg UCAs and a variety of other "top quality" stuff).

It has been a royal PITA. I constantly wish I'd just stuck with a factory TRD package and called it good.

The Icon shocks rattle constantly. Ive had them off and on the trucks so many times that I've paid 3x in shop fees what I paid for the shocks and UCAs. They have been replaced under warranty TWICE by Icon (they say they found "quality control problems) and *still* rattle (there is too much clearance in the mounting joint and there is a constant metal-to-metal rattle). FWIW, when I swapped back in the Bilsteins the rattle went away, so it was definitely attributable to the Icons)

Aligning the truck is a pain

Tire wear is a problem - I have to rotate them 2x as often as normal

The truck doesn't track well (it wants to wander) no matter what alignment settings we try (and yes, I have a VERY good shop that actually sponsors an off-road race team). I've even tried airing the front tires WAY down to see if it would help. Nope. I dropped the lift to barely 1" - still didn't resolve the issues (This was Icon's recommendation, btw)

Icon was also a PITA to deal with - I had to start a lawsuit and talk to one of the owners before I could get them to finally replace the shocks - and even then, the rattle started again after about 500 miles of regular on-road travel. I'm tired of throwing good money after bad.

Aftermarket shocks have to be rebuilt about once a year (or every other year in my case) for a cost of about $1,000 (R&R shocks, realign, shipping to Icon, rebuild charges, etc).

I could go on and on...

So, my next truck (hopefully a 4Runner Trail or TRD Pro) will NOT have any aftermarket suspension components - I want to buy it setup the way I want it - which means either getting a Trail and adding the factory TRD Pro lifted shocks, or buying the TRD Pro and going without KDSS.

Sorry, that was pretty long-winded for a first post, but I wanted people to hear from someone with long-term experience using aftermarket suspension products on a Toyota who actually uses his truck to go on 2,000 mile Baja trips but also wants to be able to drive to San Francisco on Highway 5 without "fighting" the lifted suspension the whole way...

 

[Hamburgerpimp]

If you get the trail, go with bilstien 6112's and 5100 or 5160's. 6112/5160 is pretty much the same thing a trd pro comes with at a fraction of the price.

I have them on my trail and love the setup, and lifetime warranty!!!

I almost got the icon's, but wanted suspension I could install and not worry about rebuilding or noises.



QUOTE=sbsyncro;2161548]Reviving a bit of an old thread here, but I came across this while Google searching the ability to swap out the TRD pro setup into a "Trail" version. Reason? A local guy selling a 2013 did this on his Trail. I'm shopping for a TRD Pro version, but I like the idea of KDSS on the Trail (which is not available on the TRD Pro).

So there's a reason to swap out the Trail suspension for something with more lift and remote reservoirs like the TRD Pro setup. Yup, you could go aftermarket - and here is why I felt compelled to register for this site so I could post...

I've had a 2005 Tundra DC 4x4 since it was new. I've run Bilstein 5100s and am now running Icon 2.5" coilovers on it (along with Camburg UCAs and a variety of other "top quality" stuff).

It has been a royal PITA. I constantly wish I'd just stuck with a factory TRD package and called it good.

The Icon shocks rattle constantly. Ive had them off and on the trucks so many times that I've paid 3x in shop fees what I paid for the shocks and UCAs. They have been replaced under warranty TWICE by Icon (they say they found "quality control problems) and *still* rattle (there is too much clearance in the mounting joint and there is a constant metal-to-metal rattle). FWIW, when I swapped back in the Bilsteins the rattle went away, so it was definitely attributable to the Icons)

Aligning the truck is a pain

Tire wear is a problem - I have to rotate them 2x as often as normal

The truck doesn't track well (it wants to wander) no matter what alignment settings we try (and yes, I have a VERY good shop that actually sponsors an off-road race team). I've even tried airing the front tires WAY down to see if it would help. Nope. I dropped the lift to barely 1" - still didn't resolve the issues (This was Icon's recommendation, btw)

Icon was also a PITA to deal with - I had to start a lawsuit and talk to one of the owners before I could get them to finally replace the shocks - and even then, the rattle started again after about 500 miles of regular on-road travel. I'm tired of throwing good money after bad.

Aftermarket shocks have to be rebuilt about once a year (or every other year in my case) for a cost of about $1,000 (R&R shocks, realign, shipping to Icon, rebuild charges, etc).

I could go on and on...

So, my next truck (hopefully a 4Runner Trail or TRD Pro) will NOT have any aftermarket suspension components - I want to buy it setup the way I want it - which means either getting a Trail and adding the factory TRD Pro lifted shocks, or buying the TRD Pro and going without KDSS.

Sorry, that was pretty long-winded for a first post, but I wanted people to hear from someone with long-term experience using aftermarket suspension products on a Toyota who actually uses his truck to go on 2,000 mile Baja trips but also wants to be able to drive to San Francisco on Highway 5 without "fighting" the lifted suspension the whole way...[/QUOTE]

 

[sbsyncro]

Have the noises from icons been reported here before? I've never seen comments about it on the tundra forums but perhaps not many tundra guys are running them.

 

[marshal]

Reviving a bit of an old thread here, but I came across this while Google searching the ability to swap out the TRD pro setup into a "Trail" version. Reason? A local guy selling a 2013 did this on his Trail. I'm shopping for a TRD Pro version, but I like the idea of KDSS on the Trail (which is not available on the TRD Pro).

So there's a reason to swap out the Trail suspension for something with more lift and remote reservoirs like the TRD Pro setup. Yup, you could go aftermarket - and here is why I felt compelled to register for this site so I could post...

I've had a 2005 Tundra DC 4x4 since it was new. I've run Bilstein 5100s and am now running Icon 2.5" coilovers on it (along with Camburg UCAs and a variety of other "top quality" stuff).

It has been a royal PITA. I constantly wish I'd just stuck with a factory TRD package and called it good.

The Icon shocks rattle constantly. Ive had them off and on the trucks so many times that I've paid 3x in shop fees what I paid for the shocks and UCAs. They have been replaced under warranty TWICE by Icon (they say they found "quality control problems) and *still* rattle (there is too much clearance in the mounting joint and there is a constant metal-to-metal rattle). FWIW, when I swapped back in the Bilsteins the rattle went away, so it was definitely attributable to the Icons)

Aligning the truck is a pain

Tire wear is a problem - I have to rotate them 2x as often as normal

The truck doesn't track well (it wants to wander) no matter what alignment settings we try (and yes, I have a VERY good shop that actually sponsors an off-road race team). I've even tried airing the front tires WAY down to see if it would help. Nope. I dropped the lift to barely 1" - still didn't resolve the issues (This was Icon's recommendation, btw)

Icon was also a PITA to deal with - I had to start a lawsuit and talk to one of the owners before I could get them to finally replace the shocks - and even then, the rattle started again after about 500 miles of regular on-road travel. I'm tired of throwing good money after bad.

Aftermarket shocks have to be rebuilt about once a year (or every other year in my case) for a cost of about $1,000 (R&R shocks, realign, shipping to Icon, rebuild charges, etc).

I could go on and on...

So, my next truck (hopefully a 4Runner Trail or TRD Pro) will NOT have any aftermarket suspension components - I want to buy it setup the way I want it - which means either getting a Trail and adding the factory TRD Pro lifted shocks, or buying the TRD Pro and going without KDSS.

Sorry, that was pretty long-winded for a first post, but I wanted people to hear from someone with long-term experience using aftermarket suspension products on a Toyota who actually uses his truck to go on 2,000 mile Baja trips but also wants to be able to drive to San Francisco on Highway 5 without "fighting" the lifted suspension the whole way...

Sounds like you're literally getting butt ****ed. The TRD suspension won't help your alignment troubles. The fact that you're having any with the Camburg UCAs surprises me as your specs should be better than stock even with a mild lift.

As far as quality control issues with the icons, I'm not surprised. As far has having them rebuilt once a year, I cannot wrap my head around this at all. The seals and oil in the shocks are good for atleast 75,000 miles of street and light off road use. Pushing them into a race ready sector would still net a really solid amount of miles being a daily driver.

Sorry for the trouble you've been through, but it really sounds like you're getting taken for a ride because you are inexperienced and don't know any better.

 

[sbsyncro]

As far as service interval goes, the paperwork that came with these shocks said something like every 5,000 miles for off-road use and 10-15,000 miles for on road use. I remember because I put about 7000 miles a year on my Tundra and it meant about every 2 years. I was frankly shocked (no pun intended) when I read that in the accompanying paperwork.

As to my "inexperience"... Well I've probably traveled more off road terrain than most of the folks on this forum in my 30+ years driving on the planet, and while this is my first modern Toyota vehicle with coil over suspension, I can assure you that "inexperience" had nothing to do with the problems I've had with aftermarket setups on the Tundra. I was running 5100s on this truck before they were even generally available. Maybe my problem is that I'm an "early adopter". But certainly not ignorant or inexperienced, thank you very much.