LED bulb upgrade. Opinions

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Considering LED bulb swap for my 15 trail. Looking at these. Just wondering what you guys think. Worth it or just get better bulbs like OSRAM nightbreaker unlimited.

I'm working on a consolidated lighting post right now. I think the general consensus on the Halogen vs. LEDs in our halogen projectors is that compared to each other, these two give off about the same amount of light. The differences between the two being that LEDs provide the "whiter / bluer" kelvin lighting temps (4000k+) and draw less amps from the battery while the halogen bulb upgrades provide better lumens than the stock bulbs but at a warmer temp.

Per John and Steve at Xenondepot, the Osram halogens will be slightly warmer and brighter (more lumens) but the Philips halogens will be cooler (whiter / bluer) kelvin shade and slightly less lumens because of the blue shading applied to the exterior of the bulb itself.

In short, unless you're looking to draw less amps from the battery, save yourself the money and go with a halogen lamp upgrade.
 
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LED technology used in halogen applications is not quite up to par yet. It has made great strides in the past few years but a true upgrade using an LED based bulb is not available yet.
The vehicles that have LED headlights in an OEM form are not simply a bulb. They are usually sealed systems with dedicated optics. Not the same as we can buy to replace a standard halogen bulb.
 
Led is not meant to work inside of a lamp built for halogen. No matter what the advertisement says

Why not run a set of HID projectors?

Or if led is your thing. TheRetrofitSource sell various OEM led headlight projectors (corolla, murano? Trs.com
 
9005 LED Headlight Kit | 9005 LED Upgrade for the highbeam.
It will flicker, but not bad. Do not add DRL mode. You do not need it. Installing it just give you full highbeam power even if in DRL mode.

H11 LED Headlight Kit | H11 LED Upgrade
Bought for foglights. Should be good for lowbeams, too.
HID is better choice.
 
Led is not meant to work inside of a lamp built for halogen. No matter what the advertisement says

Why not run a set of HID projectors?

Or if led is your thing. TheRetrofitSource sell various OEM led headlight projectors (corolla, murano? Trs.com

Why is it that an LED bulb can not work inside a projector but a HID can?

Furthermore, the issue with HID is they are generally all junk and quality is very poor, in the past I find myself having to turn lights on and off again because one or the other would not fire, etc. Personally id rather keep it stock the LED draws less and produces great lighting, im just not understanding what restriction the Projector has on this
 
Ideally a HID projector should be used with HID, halogen with halogen, led with led.

The way the light is made in all three is different - HID is an arc that glows, halogen is a straight filament that glows, led is a forward facing light source. So each requires unique optics and when you start mixing them you get glare -- glare with HID and LED is bright enough to blind oncoming drivers and are a hazard.

There are a few halogen projectors that work pretty well with HID in them, but not all.

Also - you are right, lots of HID junk out there. That's why i recommended the TRS website - I did a light upgrade with eBay parts and they kept not functioning correctly, but when I bought the supplies on TRS I have had zero issues.

As of today I haven't seen any good aftermarket LED headlight bulbs. If you say that the company you liked has good stuff, please post a pic of your headlights on facing a wall around 25 feet away. If the beam pattern is proper then you may have found a winner. Cause so far the ones I've seen were junk
 
Ideally a HID projector should be used with HID, halogen with halogen, led with led.

The way the light is made in all three is different - HID is an arc that glows, halogen is a straight filament that glows, led is a forward facing light source. So each requires unique optics and when you start mixing them you get glare -- glare with HID and LED is bright enough to blind oncoming drivers and are a hazard.

There are a few halogen projectors that work pretty well with HID in them, but not all.

Also - you are right, lots of HID junk out there. That's why i recommended the TRS website - I did a light upgrade with eBay parts and they kept not functioning correctly, but when I bought the supplies on TRS I have had zero issues.

As of today I haven't seen any good aftermarket LED headlight bulbs. If you say that the company you liked has good stuff, please post a pic of your headlights on facing a wall around 25 feet away. If the beam pattern is proper then you may have found a winner. Cause so far the ones I've seen were junk


Could you post a link to the TRS you are referencing?
 
Why is it that an LED bulb can not work inside a projector but a HID can?

Sorry for the long explanation, but I encourage to read it and understand it.

When manufacturer (or seller) says that his LED bulb is a "direct replacement" of halogen bulb they are simply lying to you. Not because they don't like you. No, this is because if they don't lie, they would not sell a single bulb. Some people have no clue about some LED bulb facts, so they believe and they buy it. After trying some buyers still believe in that lie and play along (or they are too dumb to understand the result).

The headlight (low beam) is designed with two goals: give the best light output to allow the driver to see, but at the same time do not blind the drivers from oncoming traffic or drivers on the same lane in cars just in front of you. And of course the lamp is designed strictly for the particular bulb to use.

The problem with LED bulbs comes from the geometrical difference between the source of the light. In halogen bulb the source of the light (filament) is placed precisely in the center of the bulb and it shines the same flux all the way around. The source of light in LED bulb (LED chip) sits flat on the mount and shines mostly in 60 degrees from the line perpendicular to the base. So one LED chip shines only 120 degrees comparing to 360 degrees in halogen bulb. To cover the back side most led bulbs use at least 2 LED chips with the second chip shining in opposite direction. That will cover 240 degrees, but still not full circle. That will create some dark spots in final lamp output.

Now the thing most buyers don't understand: because there are two LED chips separated by the base (heat sink) neither one can be in the center of the bulb - they are in offset by the thickness of the LED chip itself and half of the thickness of the base. In most bulbs it will be at least 1/16th of the inch. That is a lot for a lamp geometry. Because the source of the light is not where the lamp designer expected it to be, the output pattern is completely out of whack. The cut-off is lost, there are "ghosts" of light where the dark side should be, and dark spots on the lighted road.

There is no solution to that other than redesign the reflector (or projector) to accommodate the LED bulb as a light source. What is the worst of that, the high power LED bulbs with whiter light will appear to be brighter, and therefore they blind the other drivers even more.

I see it every day on my commute. I don't even bother "flashing" these guys. If they did not figure it out yet, they wouldn't understand my "flashing" either.

HID bulbs while they are not exactly perfect (not 100% same as halogen bulbs) at least the source of the light (arc) is centered (similar to halogen bulbs) and shines 360 degrees (same as halogen bulb). The arc is a bit longer than halogen bulb filament, so it creates some "ghosts", but if used in projector type lamps these ghosts are mostly eliminated. In reflector type lamp these ghosts are almost as bad as from LED bulbs.
 
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Could you post a link to the TRS you are referencing?

yeah sure

this is what my setup would be
projectors - infiniti-g37-s
bulbs - morimoto-xb35-d2s-
ballasts - first choice fast-bright-amp-ballasts
second choice (more expensive) morimoto-xb55-amp
and adapters for the bulbs to work with those ballasts - amp-d2s-ballast-adapter

the result
(this pic is from when I was working on the retrofit for my wife's prius - only one light on)
g37 - 55w by Roman G, on Flickr

I havent started my 4runner yet - too much going on at school
 
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LED Lights

I ordered opt 7 led lights and they are perfect. Very bright but not overwhelming and also have the cree fog lights that match the color and looks very quality all around.
 
Need Exper Advice - Headlight Upgrade

Total Rookie here....just bought my first Toyota. Was a Honda fan but I loved the '16 4Runners. That said I want to upgrade High/Low/Fog/DRL bulbs but I don't know which way to go.

Any advice?
 
Do they require any mod? I read some of the forums and I see there a many ways to go from plug/play to rewire/etc.

Check the post I linked above (it's also in my sig below), should be more than enough info to get you started in whatever direction you might want to go. Good luck.
 
I have just received my H11 low beams LED lights from XenonDepot.
so far I am waiting for the night to come so that I can evaluate the output.
the install was easy , plug and play , I have installed just one side so that I can compare the 2 beams.
will report later.
Erick.
 

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