Magnuson Supercharger for 2010-Present & 2010-2014 FJ

[Grug556]

Only one thing that is hilarious here.... I can't tell if you are joking or not. I really hope so...

Nobody twisting any arms here.. All of this is 100% unnecessary...... People who want it are very much willing to take on some risk for a pretty small reward, but its usually stuff they enjoy messing with.... NOT FOR EVERYONE.

Your missing my point. My point was similar to others. If a vendor is launching a new untried product with a limited type of marketing launch they should factor in reduced costs and installs as part of their plan to launch. Otherwise you are actually paying them to experiment on your vehicle. Anybody who thinks Toyota USA is gonna warranty motor parts when a charger is added is delusional! Not saying it will pop the motor, but then again wheres the longterm test mule with various trial data showing its a safe add on for a 5th gen?

Look I don't care if they end up selling it for $8K cause hey they are in it for profit. But the optics of having essentially test mule customers pay virtually full rate for what is essentially an organized mini trial is far from ideal.

Maybe this is how the vendor rolls as they cant afford to test each vehicle thoroughly prior to a launch? You want to pay virtually full rate to be a guinea pig...have at it. When I do lab work for people, I generally expect to be paid for it, not me paying them for the privilege of doing their work for them..

I bet theres a clause in the sign up contract rendering the vendor blameless should the motor grenade.

 

[2flyfishin]

We all would like more horse power and torque and that is why we are all watching this. It's all a juice vs squeeze. The price is pretty hard to swallow for the talked about gains and especially for the lack of expressed warranty. There will always be somebody to shell out the money though whether it is smart or not and I won't be the one to say it is either way. Personally I won't spend that much on something that hasn't been around and proven and minimal gain, but that is just me and I really don't understand why they cost so much. My Dad just put a new turbo on his big tractor for his ranch and it was only $365 and puts out a lot more boost. It may not be as sophisticated but man, I can't imagine what would constitute that much of a price difference. I realize they have to do all the EPA and CARB testing but really? When people say it's not for everyone, I believe it could be for many more than it will be and the reason it's priced too high. I would think if it was priced much more reasonably for the gains, they could more than gain enough customers to make it worth it but then again, I could be wrong.

 

[Scharfschütze]

My Dad just put a new turbo on his big tractor for his ranch and it was only $365 and puts out a lot more boost. It may not be as sophisticated but man, I can't imagine what would constitute that much of a price difference.

M-kay...really? Just stop dude.

People, I think the point about the $500 discount has been beaten to a pulp, its not a beta test, its not going to be free, its also not playing with fire or a huge risk of a blown block. Its not a hot deal, I think Wfo9 said it best, this is for early adopter, problem solver types, not those trying to save a few bucks on a SC kit. This is going to be a small % of us.

Perhaps those with zero knowledge about how forced induction systems work, people with zero knowledge how a successful business works and those who don't have the funds, time or real interest in this kit should just not comment.

 

[Sound_SS]

He's best reached on Facebook

do you know him? if so please get him to post here. i would very much like to struggle with a decision of magnuson or whipple if he is close to bringing a kit to market

 

[2flyfishin]

M-kay...really? Just stop dude.

People, I think the point about the $500 discount has been beaten to a pulp, its not a beta test, its not going to be free, its also not playing with fire or a huge risk of a blown block. Its not a hot deal, I think Wfo9 said it best, this is for early adopter, problem solver types, not those trying to save a few bucks on a SC kit. This is going to be a small % of us.

Perhaps those with zero knowledge about how forced induction systems work, people with zero knowledge how a successful business works and those who don't have the funds, time or real interest in this kit should just not comment.

I am not talking about the $500 discount. I am comparing the cost of a turbo that goes on a $100,000 plus tractor that costs 1/6th the cost of this product. I may not be an expert on forced induction but I do realize that there is a astronomical price difference! I am not saying that their sc should be that cheap but come on, $5500. And the % being small can be tied in some cases to the price point (juice vs squeeze). I would be highly interested in a sc for my runner and yes I can afford this price tag. I am stating I won't for this cost vs return on this product. Would you rather make $ 2000 off of 2000 people or $1000 off of 6000 people? A $1000 can run off a lot of customers when they weigh the cost vs benefit. The Ace hardware down the street from me closed down because they charged too much and people drove right past them to go to home depot. Which is the successful business? Mag won't be the only players forever and when something comes out more cost effective, chances are I will be putting my money down on it.
P.S. I love how a lot of people mention "they probably can't afford this or that" as if they know other's financial positions. Give ma a break!

 

[philsey]

do you know him? if so please get him to post here. i would very much like to struggle with a decision of magnuson or whipple if he is close to bringing a kit to market

Don't think for a minute he doesn't know about this forum, and this thread. He's had a s/c 5th gen running for years. Like [MENTION=104049]marshal[/MENTION] said, ck his FB.

 

[Swarty]

There's no test mules.

Your missing my point. My point was similar to others. If a vendor is launching a new untried product with a limited type of marketing launch they should factor in reduced costs and installs as part of their plan to launch. Otherwise you are actually paying them to experiment on your vehicle. Anybody who thinks Toyota USA is gonna warranty motor parts when a charger is added is delusional!

You know this has been out for this same block on the FJ for years now right? This is just a fit test. There's nothing magic for these guys. This isn't us being test mules. Did you see mention of a laptop and tons of sensor interfaces? They get no data from this. They want you to dyno test cause dyno testing shows when something has been installed wrong so they can avoid bad press and everyone loves a dyno run so they get good press.

 

[Scharfschütze]

I am not talking about the $500 discount. I am comparing the cost of a turbo that goes on a $100,000 plus tractor that costs 1/6th the cost of this product. I may not be an expert on forced induction but I do realize that there is a astronomical price difference! I am not saying that their sc should be that cheap but come on, $5500. And the % being small can be tied in some cases to the price point (juice vs squeeze). I would be highly interested in a sc for my runner and yes I can afford this price tag. I am stating I won't for this cost vs return on this product. Would you rather make $ 2000 off of 2000 people or $1000 off of 6000 people? A $1000 can run off a lot of customers when they weigh the cost vs benefit. The Ace hardware down the street from me closed down because they charged too much and people drove right past them to go to home depot. Which is the successful business? Mag won't be the only players forever and when something comes out more cost effective, chances are I will be putting my money down on it.
P.S. I love how a lot of people mention "they probably can't afford this or that" as if they know other's financial positions. Give ma a break!

I know what you were talking about and the fact that you are comparing an upgraded turbo for a tractor (that was already turbo to begin with) to a bolt on supercharger kit for a 4runner which is NA is beyond stupid. I'd explain that further but you won't understand.

$5500 is reasonable for this kit.

When/if URD releases their kit I promise it'll cost at least as much and won't have near the R&D or support behind it. Their Tacoma kit is $5795, why would the 4R be cheaper?.... I would however assume it makes more power, but that comes at a cost (longevity) and WOT power on these rigs is useless anyway. I've talked to Gadget about tuning, he's a nice fella. They are more of a grass roots small organization vs Mag which is a major player in the SC/FI industry.

 

[Jetboy]

The problem with a supercharger is the same as it's always been. There are already alternatives that are better. Charging nearly full retail for a test unit is an even tougher sell.

At $5k for a test unit, I'm sure they'll get a few takers. If they sell a lot of units, I'll be kinda surprised. So trying to recover a lot of development in each unit is probably pretty important. Putting the $ toward a LC200 seems like a much better investment. Not only do you get a lot more power. You also get a lot more axles, more gears, more suspension, more tailgate, and more durability. I love the idea - but it's just not very competitive with alternatives that offer a lot more for about the same money. Kinda the same reason you rarely see a performance upgrade offered for a base model engine in other vehicles. Putting a supercharger on a 4cyl tacoma happens - but wouldn't you probably just buy the v6? It looks like well engineered system. The price is inline with other similar superchargers.

 

[wfo9]

I love the idea - but it's just not very competitive with alternatives that offer a lot more for about the same money.

So the alternatives that offer a lot more for the same money you are talking about are buying a different vehicle? Just trying to clear up some of the noise in this thread, as I know many people here are very confused.

 

[Jetboy]

So the alternatives that offer a lot more for the same money you are talking about are buying a different vehicle? Just trying to clear up some of the noise in this thread, as I know many people here are very confused.

Yes. I would trade for a GX460. And I also think that the GX460's existence is a significant limiting factor on the adoption of superchargers on 5th gen 4runners. They're just too good of a deal in the used market. It's the same platform with a v8 and 6 speed transmission. For me - a used LC200 would be my choice if I was wanting more power.


Edit: there are also at least one supercharger already for sale. And has been for years. It's about $7k all in with aftermarket piggy back fuel management.

 

[marshal]

You know this has been out for this same block on the FJ for years now right? This is just a fit test. There's nothing magic for these guys. This isn't us being test mules. Did you see mention of a laptop and tons of sensor interfaces? They get no data from this. They want you to dyno test cause dyno testing shows when something has been installed wrong so they can avoid bad press and everyone loves a dyno run so they get good press.

its not just a fit test, the whole reason why the old kits don't work is because of the VVT-I heads that are on the 4Runners. its a fit test plus mechanical verification and total proof of concept

 

[wfo9]

its not just a fit test, the whole reason why the old kits don't work is because of the VVT-I heads that are on the 4Runners. its a fit test plus mechanical verification and total proof of concept

There are differences and the kit has been verified, tested, CARB certified... on a dual VVTI rev of the 1grfe. You really think they just want you to throw it on and hope for the best LOL.

If you go to the old supercharger thread I posted some details on the differences in the 150 version of the 1grfe. Direct link to that post here: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/119896-2010-trd-supercharger-54.html#post2717116


The pilot program is more about years and aftermarket configurations within the platform. They are not trying to verify if it will work mechanically... They are looking for possible glitches when implemented in the field. It has been done already in house.

I'm not a Magnuson fanboy or anything, but having been around their stuff for many years... they don't play games or do things half ass. The reputation is pretty rock solid for a reason. This is partly why they don't need to offer a huge discount.

Is it all worth it..? really hard to say and that is only something an individual could answer for himself and most won't know until they try it... and live with it for a while.

 

[marshal]

the only thing that will bite them in the ass is using an eaton type blower when URD is using a positive displacement twin screw whipple.

 

[wfo9]

the only thing that will bite them in the ass is using an eaton type blower when URD is using a positive displacement twin screw whipple.

IDK. while the whipple can make way more power with better efficiency, the motor can't handle it anyway. The reliability of of Eaton is impossible to beat. If this was for a race build or something... totally different story. For the target..in the 5-7psi (+100 hp/tq range) it's a near ideal setup. I'm sure Gadget would even tell you the same things. For the fire and forget type.... Eaton all day. These things are not new and very well understood. Used in many OEM setups for a reason.

 

[Swarty]

its not just a fit test, the whole reason why the old kits don't work is because of the VVT-I heads that are on the 4Runners. its a fit test plus mechanical verification and total proof of concept

No. First off the 2gre only added vvti to the exhaust. Mechanical verification is done on an engine dyno. Plus they already have a driving unit. One they could put sensors all over. Not Joe blows random 4runner with no data capture equipment.
They used the same size Eaton blowers as on the the other 4.0. This isn't two idiots in a garage. This is the engineering company that did all the development for TRD and then wasn't allowed to sell them until their NDA ran out with Toyota. The difference between throttle bodies is minimal at best so they used the same internals with a modified throttle body interface and a slightly different tune. Magnuson doesn't do development through LRIP.

 

[wfo9]

[MENTION=139149]THESS[/MENTION]

It would be nice to get some details on the rotor pack they are using in this unit. I've seen conflicting info if it is a true TVS rotor pack or not. What is the twist angle and how many lobes? I've seen mp90 listed for the old 1gr kit but not sure if that is just the size as I remember that model being around for a long time with the old 60* lobes. Seems like they went to cc based number for all the TVS units.

 

[LawnDart]

"I'm not a magnusson fan boy, but..."

Okay.

 

[THESS]

[MENTION=139149]THESS[/MENTION]

It would be nice to get some details on the rotor pack they are using in this unit. I've seen conflicting info if it is a true TVS rotor pack or not. What is the twist angle and how many lobes? I've seen mp90 listed for the old 1gr kit but not sure if that is just the size as I remember that model being around for a long time with the old 60* lobes. Seems like they went to cc based number for all the TVS units.

Ill have that answer for you tomorrow.

 

[THESS]

I am not talking about the $500 discount. I am comparing the cost of a turbo that goes on a $100,000 plus tractor that costs 1/6th the cost of this product. I may not be an expert on forced induction but I do realize that there is a astronomical price difference! I am not saying that their sc should be that cheap but come on, $5500. And the % being small can be tied in some cases to the price point (juice vs squeeze). I would be highly interested in a sc for my runner and yes I can afford this price tag. I am stating I won't for this cost vs return on this product. Would you rather make $ 2000 off of 2000 people or $1000 off of 6000 people? A $1000 can run off a lot of customers when they weigh the cost vs benefit. The Ace hardware down the street from me closed down because they charged too much and people drove right past them to go to home depot. Which is the successful business? Mag won't be the only players forever and when something comes out more cost effective, chances are I will be putting my money down on it.
P.S. I love how a lot of people mention "they probably can't afford this or that" as if they know other's financial positions. Give ma a break!

I can understand the concern of the % of discount for the pilot but the concern of the retail cost is a little out of touch with reality. Unless I'm reading it wrong, I'd like to address it. The retail cost is very fair and I doubt that any other reputable company that decides to actually put one out will be significantly cheaper. Time is running out on the 5th gen brand and I don't foresee anyone doing it unless they see huge success from the two companies that are. Magnuson and URD. URD, as an example, said himself his wont be cheap and I doubt it will be priced lower then his FJ kit ($5800). If it is hats off to him and I like many others cant wait to see it. Your comparison of a turbo for a tractor and a supercharger kit is apples to oranges. When you bought that turbo was it just the turbine, compressor wheel and housing? or was it the turbo, Intercooler, piping & manifold, BOV & Wastegate, tune, etc. The turbo is a part, this is a kit. Supercharger kits and turbocharger kits have been in this price range for many many years on all types of platforms. I hope this helps break it down a bit and we shall see what the future brings for the 5th gen forced induction market.