Magnuson Supercharger for 2010-Present & 2010-2014 FJ

[jrob]

Quick update. The install is going smooth and everything is very simple so far. I should have my ECU back Friday, or Monday....

I did however run into something that slowed me down. Probably just me being anal.... But I scoped my lower intake runners and they are nasty and full of grime. So, I stopped and think I'm going to pull that and clean it out thoroughly. Here is a pic of the top of the motor with the plastic intake removed... The actual intake is what I'm going to pull next that is not necessary for the install.

I think I could just bolt on the blower and be fine.. but it will bug me to know all that grime is in there...

I would be really curious to see what another one of these looked like down in there. I was a bit shocked when I saw it.. but makes sense with all the dusty conditions I've been in..... will report back after I attempt to pull it.

The actual ports into the heads looked fantastic as the injectors keep the oil mist off the sides, but the intake bakes a grime in it... I should probably just leave it alone.... but I'm that guy.

I don't think it's out of line at all man. You have it torn down, and you're going for more power anyway, so might as well get those runner cleaned up.
When I had the lower plenum pulled off my Z it looked the same. I ran it down to a local shop, and they put it in their parts washer overnight. Came back like a new penny, and they didn't charge me. Pitched them a $20 anyway.

Props on attention to detail. Stoked for your results!

 

[delloro]

I think I could just bolt on the blower and be fine.. but it will bug me to know all that grime is in there...

I would be really curious to see what another one of these looked like down in there. I was a bit shocked when I saw it.. but makes sense with all the dusty conditions I've been in..... will report back after I attempt to pull it.

The actual ports into the heads looked fantastic as the injectors keep the oil mist off the sides, but the intake bakes a grime in it... I should probably just leave it alone.... but I'm that guy.

Aluminum 60° intakes can be tricky to reinstall, I would not touch it, it may double your work.

Excellent write-up, thanks for doing it!

 

[Scharfschütze]

Mopar is also advertised and backed by Chrysler. I highly doubt that Toyota will be advertising and backing Magnuson any time soon.

You’re saying it comes down to the dealer. That’s not what Magnuson is saying - they’re making it seem like Toyota as a whole. I can guarantee you that someone may make a handshake deal with a Toyota dealer, but I guarantee no dealer will put that in writing, the same way Magnuson won’t guarantee that it won’t void a TOYOTA warranty in writing... well.. except the IG post they made.

I don’t expect Toyota to, not do I care if I void it that much. However their posts are pretty misleading. I’m tempted to email them directly, or ask Toyota corporate directly. If it’s true that’s a huge selling point. If it’s not, it’s skrtchy for them tonstate that.

Yeah I certainly wouldn't just go by their IG post. [MENTION=139149]THESS[/MENTION] can you ask your Magnuson contact if they can provide some type of official commentary from Toyota verifying this?

My guess would be there is a slight chance that this is possible, but I bet the dealer has to do the install...

 

[enapa]

Not sure why this has to be repeated in this day and age, but nothing voids your warranty. Now if the dealer determines that a failure was caused by the part you put on then they can deny a warranty claim for that. Doesn't mean your warranty is void.

 

[MNT4R]

Quick update. The install is going smooth and everything is very simple so far. I should have my ECU back Friday, or Monday....

I did however run into something that slowed me down. Probably just me being anal.... But I scoped my lower intake runners and they are nasty and full of grime. So, I stopped and think I'm going to pull that and clean it out thoroughly. Here is a pic of the top of the motor with the plastic intake removed... The actual intake is what I'm going to pull next that is not necessary for the install.

I think I could just bolt on the blower and be fine.. but it will bug me to know all that grime is in there...

I would be really curious to see what another one of these looked like down in there. I was a bit shocked when I saw it.. but makes sense with all the dusty conditions I've been in..... will report back after I attempt to pull it.

The actual ports into the heads looked fantastic as the injectors keep the oil mist off the sides, but the intake bakes a grime in it... I should probably just leave it alone.... but I'm that guy.

Looking good so far! You get that baby on a dyno before you started to surgerize it?

 

[wfo9]

Looking good so far! You get that baby on a dyno before you started to surgerize it?

Ain't nobody got not time for that....LOL

I did not.. Don't really care much about the numbers. Do care much about the feel and the data though... I may throw it on one after. Might even eventually get a dyno tune done depending on how things go... but first I will just be testing it as is.

I hope to have time this weekend to finish the physical install, but the ECU won't be back until some time next week now.... not a big deal...I guess they may be finishing up another calibration...

 

[Jetboy]

So you were going to buy an $80k vehicle, but bought a $35k one because of the gas mileage? alrighty then.....

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inven...=false&filtersModified=true#listing=186704268

Does that help you? Believe it or not - people sell cars after they've used them for a while. Often they are for sale for less than new price.

 

[Jetboy]

Wtf is this “probably” make it 190 miles lawl? So even at 12 mpg with 24 gallons you’re still getting about 280 miles per tank and that’s with some low speed crawling stuff mixed in to get 12.

I just wrapped up an 8000 mile/7 week trek in my 4runner last week (though likely heading back out this weekend). Even in my most desolate areas of the continental divide there’s 150-200 miles between stations. There’s very few spots in the US where you can’t go 280 miles without gas and, gasp, if you do - carrying aux fuel isn’t a big deal. If you can afford an $80k vehicle then you can get some aux tanks. I paid cash for my 2017 4runner but didn’t have the need for a bigger LC, although I could afford it. The fuel range would be a silly excuse though lol.

With my heavy tires, lift, the 4runner loaded to the gills and towing our loaded off road trailer, we still got 15mpg-16mpg most the trip, obviously on Imogene Pass and stuff was different. With the added power of the Land Cruiser, id bet it’s towing fuel mileage would be much closer to the 4runners than it’s empty mpg.

Fair to say you basically stick to paved roads? And almost entirely in urban areas?

 

[LawnDart]

Fair to say you basically stick to paved roads? And almost entirely in urban areas?

Savage...

I barely make it 280mi on a full tank on highway, with tires aired up to 40psi.

11.5mpg all up in here!

 

[THESS]

Yeah I certainly wouldn't just go by their IG post. [MENTION=139149]THESS[/MENTION] can you ask your Magnuson contact if they can provide some type of official commentary from Toyota verifying this?

My guess would be there is a slight chance that this is possible, but I bet the dealer has to do the install...

Alright this is how t breaks down. I'll try to make it as simple as possible. Magnuson offers a 3 yr 36k warranty. Whichever comes first. Under that period Magnuson covers the warranty of the supercharger and anything that fails and can be proven that the supercharger is the culprit.. Say you were to throw a rod, you have no other modifications for performance, and it can be proven that the Supercharger was the reason and not someone bouncing the rev limiter all day, that would get covered under the Magnuson warranty. If the supercharger isn't at fault Toyota will cover it. For those that don't believe it please refer to the Magnuson Moss act. There are dealers doing 1 or 2 installs as we speak. Toyota cannot deny a claim if the reason for the equipment to fail was none other than the equipment itself. And for those that are saying Toyota won't work with Magnuson, I have amazing news, they have been for many many years. For those that don't know, TRD Superchargers were built by Magnuson. They have a great repor. Was just with a gentleman who worked for TRD for 20+ years who also stated the above. Skeptics can continue being skeptics if they like. This isn't for everyone and that's completely ok. Hope this helps. I'm sure there will be some who still won't be satisfied and that's fine too. Can't please everyone. There are some individuals on this forum who can vouch for the above since they came and spoke with the team at this weekends show.

 

[THESS]

Oh gosh more drama on the supercharger thread LOL

I think the IG post is probably a bit misleading, but also true depending on how you look at it. I'm sure they would not put this on their actual website, just someone probably being a tad overzealous since there are no disclaimers... or legal review for what goes on twitter or IG. But I'm not sure... just guessing.

Nothing technically voids your warranty on the entire vehicle. If I install a supercharger and my AC stops blowing air.... well, it is still covered under warranty. However, if I install a supercharger and blow a piston out of the block... well, duh.... It's on a case by case basis if the aftermarket component could be the cause of the problem. With a supercharger... well then many things in the powertrain come under question.

To add to the the confusion (and probably the basis for the IG comment), there is a full power-train warranty offered from mag with many of the kits when put on a new vehicle still under factory warranty. I'm not sure how that works exactly, but I'm guessing some dealers leverage that plus the factory warranty to basically keep you 100% covered. It comes for free with many of the kits from what I remember.

Since I'm out of warranty... I've never even given it a second thought.

Whatever the case...I would not take an IG comment as corporate policy.. Get clarification.

You are correct.

 

[Trixx]

Fair to say you basically stick to paved roads? And almost entirely in urban areas?

All urban, I’ve never left pavement.

I’m curious how many tears were shed while you typed that?

“Probably 190 mile range” so much lawl.

 

[Trixx]

Alright this is how t breaks down. I'll try to make it as simple as possible. Magnuson offers a 3 yr 36k warranty. Whichever comes first. Under that period Magnuson covers the warranty of the supercharger and anything that fails and can be proven that the supercharger is the culprit.. Say you were to throw a rod, you have no other modifications for performance, and it can be proven that the Supercharger was the reason and not someone bouncing the rev limiter all day, that would get covered under the Magnuson warranty. If the supercharger isn't at fault Toyota will cover it. For those that don't believe it please refer to the Magnuson Moss act. There are dealers doing 1 or 2 installs as we speak. Toyota cannot deny a claim if the reason for the equipment to fail was none other than the equipment itself. And for those that are saying Toyota won't work with Magnuson, I have amazing news, they have been for many many years. For those that don't know, TRD Superchargers were built by Magnuson. They have a great repor. Was just with a gentleman who worked for TRD for 20+ years who also stated the above. Skeptics can continue being skeptics if they like. This isn't for everyone and that's completely ok. Hope this helps. I'm sure there will be some who still won't be satisfied and that's fine too. Can't please everyone. There are some individuals on this forum who can vouch for the above since they came and spoke with the team at this weekends show.

So if it’s in that period, if Toyota denied the claim due to the supercharger, then Magnuson will cover it? “Proving” it for the average person isn’t the easiest.

I’m strongly considering this supercharger and honestly the warranty makes little difference to me and is not a deciding factor. However - to many people it is a big deal, and I think people should be aware of all the information before they’re mislead by broad claims.

 

[Jetboy]

All urban, I’ve never left pavement.

I’m curious how many tears were shed while you typed that?

“Probably 190 mile range” so much lawl.

If Imogene is the furthest "offroad" you're going, I understand why it's a non-issue. It's like 15 miles of gravel road between two towns. If you were seriously going to remote places - you'd already understand that the range is a problem with stock fuel mileage. My guess is you've never run into the issue of questioning whether you can make it or not. Never cut your trip short because you couldn't risk running out in a remote place in -20 temps. You can physically reach a lot of places in the lower 48 on a stock fuel tank, but it's not very fun to have to plan your route around frequent gas stops. If you think you can run your tank to zero and consider that usable range - you've never venture far from the pavement. Probably never been stuck. Certainly never been stuck overnight or for multiple days. So... I'm still pretty confident in my assessment.

Edit: I don't know whether the supercharger would make or break any particular trip. It might improve mpg - but the assertion that fuel economy isn't important is nonsensical for anyone who ventures very far from a gas station. 12mpg and a 23 gallon tank is not a workable solution.

 

[Trixx]

If Imogene is the furthest "offroad" you're going, I understand why it's a non-issue. It's like 15 miles of gravel road between two towns. If you were seriously going to remote places - you'd already understand that the range is a problem with stock fuel mileage. My guess is you've never run into the issue of questioning whether you can make it or not. Never cut your trip short because you couldn't risk running out in a remote place in -20 temps. You can physically reach a lot of places in the lower 48 on a stock fuel tank, but it's not very fun to have to plan your route around frequent gas stops. If you think you can run your tank to zero and consider that usable range - you've never venture far from the pavement. So... I'm still pretty confident in my assessment.

You are obviously completely unfamiliar with the continental divide route.. The Imogene Pass reference was in regards to understanding fuel mileage during slower off road.

Baja has many scarce areas fuel-wise, and I did 3000 miles of Baja via motorcycle this spring. Yes - had to plan a few fuel stops. I just dealt with it like most people in desolate places do and didn’t troll the forums bragging about my elitism traveling in desolate locations.

During the continental divide and most the 8000 miles I did the last two months, I carry an extra 10 gallons of aux fuel. It’s like 70-80 lbs. Not a big deal and worth the piece of mind.

Curious where exactly you’re traveling regularly (specifics) that you go soooooo far between fuel stations. You know - these 250+ mile desolate locations.

I can drive around my block 250x and run out of gas and whine about not having a gas station in my route, or I can carry aux fuel or manage to make a gas station in my route.

 

[Jetboy]

You are obviously completely unfamiliar with the continental divide route.. The Imogene Pass reference was in regards to understanding fuel mileage during slower off road.

Baja has many scarce areas fuel-wise, and I did 3000 miles of Baja via motorcycle this spring. Yes - had to plan a few fuel stops. I just dealt with it like most people in desolate places do and didn’t troll the forums bragging about my elitism traveling in desolate locations.

During the continental divide and most the 8000 miles I did the last two months, I carry an extra 10 gallons of aux fuel. It’s like 70-80 lbs. Not a big deal and worth the piece of mind.

Curious where exactly you’re traveling regularly (specifics) that you go soooooo far between fuel stations. You know - these 250+ mile desolate locations.

I can drive around my block 250x and run out of gas and whine about not having a gas station in my route, or I can carry aux fuel or manage to make a gas station in my route.

I've given you a few very easy examples. This past week I went through cathedral valley on the way south to the grand staircase. Filled up in Salina. It rained a bunch. Cathedral valley is an entirely different world with 6 inches of clay mud. There was a pretty decent chance we were going to spend an unexpected day or two out there - in a Tacoma on 35's. It's very unlikely you would have made it with your trailer. A lot of it would have been 80 feet of winch rope at a time. And burned a lot of fuel churning in heavy clay mud. Unexpected things happen. Relying on just enough fuel is a fool's errand. Heck, even the Rubicon trail is a challenge on range and it's only 22 miles of trail. If the mpg were 12 or lower for the highway section and you had a similar reduction on the trail - you'd run out before you got back to Tahoma. You're choosing to stick to a nonsensical argument. I'm guessing that is the result of never having experienced an issue with range questions. Have you ever spent the night stuck somewhere? Have you ever had to walk out of a remote area? Flippantly saying that you can make it 250 miles means to me that you don't have experience outside of following a guide book on a well trodden trail.

 

[THESS]

So if it’s in that period, if Toyota denied the claim due to the supercharger, then Magnuson will cover it? “Proving” it for the average person isn’t the easiest.

I’m strongly considering this supercharger and honestly the warranty makes little difference to me and is not a deciding factor. However - to many people it is a big deal, and I think people should be aware of all the information before they’re mislead by broad claims.

For one, the reason it isn't everywhere is because it's not released yet. Some don't understand that. Come December all info will be released and production will be starting. For those that it is a big deal please feel free to reach out. If it isn't a big deal to you then it isn't a big deal. Not at all broad claims. If you read my post it elaborates. It's simple and covered under said Act. For those who are skeptical, please feel free to place a call to Magnuson when they are ready to release the full production line. They would be happy to explain. I don't know how familiar some are with how their warranty works and what a dealership can or can't do. But they cannot deny your warranty if the part that broke, broke due to integrity of the product under normal conditions. It's common knowledge over abuse your vehicle and you will break something. Same thing goes with the Supercharger. they wouldn't say that if it weren't true. Magnuson has done work with with Toyota for many many years and with majority of the largest brands in the automotive scene. They wouldn't be around if what they say wasn't true. Don't be an idiot if you have one installed and you won't have issues. At least I haven't and have put a few thousand miles on my truck with it on. I know there are a lot of experts on here but if we keep having these pissing matches over petty things Id be happy to close the thread. This was created to provide input on the unit and time and time again it goes off on random tangents. You want information or have questions ask I'd be happy to help and provide my experience. You will see the other Pilot build popping up and sharing their experience to add more perspective to the new product. Cheers.

 

[Trixx]

? Have you ever had to walk out of a remote area? Flippantly saying that you can make it 250 miles means to me that you don't have experience outside of following a guide book on a well trodden trail.

Very, very nearly on a motorcycle in Mexico. Dropping a 650+ lb motorcycle in extremely rugged terrain over a dozen times in 90+ degree weather wearing full gear on a trail that ended up being far, far more difficult than planned. We were remote enough and it was hot enough with too little water that I don’t know walking out would’ve been an option. Not to mention, my wife was with me, so there was the whole aspect of being responsible for someone else.

While your example is your “hardcore off-roading,” I’ve been hundreds of miles off pavement with no reception, alone. At that point there’s no difference between getting stuck or breaking down which is also a risk.

Again, if thought there was a risk of not having enough fuel - i’d Carry aux fuel. Not sure why this is so hard to grasp or even being discussed.

 

[Jetboy]

The simple point you're so desperately trying to avoid for some silly reason is that range and mpg matter.

 

[delloro]

If the supercharger isn't at fault Toyota will cover it.

Like hell they will. My 4runner had a squeak from about 5,000 miles. Somewhere in the front end. I later installed a 2" spacer lift up front.

When I went in for an oil change, I asked the dealer to look for the squeak. They told me that because I had modified the suspension, and scraped a lower control arm and dented my gas tank skid, that they would not diagnose it under warranty. I would have to pay then their time, which would be refunded if they thought it was Toyota's fault, if they found anything.

I told them to pound sand, went home, and in 5 minutes figured out it was the hood.

If a rod goes out after an SC install, Magnuson and Toyota will point their fingers at each other. Nobody is stepping up for that new engine bill.

It will be up to you, the owner, to prove who was at fault. Expert testimony is EXPENSIVE.

For those that don't believe it please refer to the Magnuson Moss act.

I am not sure you are familiar with The Act. The one and only place "Magnuson-Moss" means anything is in court. By the time you get to court, you have already lost. Can't get there for less than $50,000. Not including the expert working up its case. Toyota will have an expert, as will the SC mfr.

Even if you keep it in small claims court, which judge will accept that putting a blower on a motor didn't cause a rod failure? Toyota will point to their reliability record and that's it.

"Magnuson-Moss" will not help here.