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Objectively speaking, I'm not sure what the point of that article actually is. Not a single "car" on that list was ever designed for handling. In fact, most of the vehicles are crossovers/minivans.

What's the point of putting a niche SUV like the 4Runner on such a list? Does Motor Trend seriously not have anything else to write about?

Can I have the five minutes of my life it took me to read that article back?
 
I guess that the magazine is running out of ideas. Conversely, why don't they write an article titled "MT's 10 Worst Mountain Expedition Vehicles?" Then we could have a list that included the Volt, Accord, Focus, Camry, Jetta, Prius etc.
 
Is it a surprise to you that most buyers of the 5th gen aren't buying it for its offroad ability? Have you failed to notice that the 4Runner gets bigger, more luxurious, and less suited to real off-road every generation? Offroaders aren't the segment the 4Runner is being marketed to. Motor Trend knows this, and is writing articles that categorize the vehicles people are buying by the qualities they want in those vehicles.

Let's face it, 99.9% of 5th gen owners would happily sacrifice its offroad qualities for better handling and a softer ride, and the 6th gen truck will move even farther towards making those prospective buyers happy. We're just lucky that Toyota is even nodding in our direction by (so far) leaving things like body on frame, solid rear axles, and low range on the table.
 
Is it a surprise to you that most buyers of the 5th gen aren't buying it for its offroad ability? Have you failed to notice that the 4Runner gets bigger, more luxurious, and less suited to real off-road every generation? Offroaders aren't the segment the 4Runner is being marketed to. Motor Trend knows this, and is writing articles that categorize the vehicles people are buying by the qualities they want in those vehicles.

Let's face it, 99.9% of 5th gen owners would happily sacrifice its offroad qualities for better handling and a softer ride, and the 6th gen truck will move even farther towards making those prospective buyers happy. We're just lucky that Toyota is even nodding in our direction by (so far) leaving things like body on frame, solid rear axles, and low range on the table.

Don't lump me into that group, I don't agree with that at all..as a matter of fact I bet it's exactly the opposite.

Very few folks buy the 4Runner for it's ride, they buy it for it's capabilities.

Try and take your Yaris, or minivan up a pile of rocks...or drive it in a raging snow storm to go skiing.

As a matter of fact..what kind of f'in moron, lumps one of the most capable 4WD's out the box, in with a commuter car that bottoms out in a mall parking lot?? The author of that article is an idiot.
 
Don't lump me into that group,

Don't be so sensitive, I didn't lump anybody anywhere. 99.9% may be an exaggeration, but don't try and pretend that the vast majority of 5th gen owners will ever do more than tow a utility trailer or drive on a gravel road.

The 5th gen owners on this forum are not representative of 5th gen owners in general.
 
Don't be so sensitive, I didn't lump anybody anywhere. 99.9% may be an exaggeration, but don't try and pretend that the vast majority of 5th gen owners will ever do more than tow a utility trailer or drive on a gravel road.

The 5th gen owners on this forum are not representative of 5th gen owners in general.

I'm not being sensitive....just honest. I do think you give little credit to the people that pick out and research their vehicles for what they CAN do, not what they can't.

You think most people just happen to "wander" into a sale like this?? Really?

I think the consumer is much more versed in what they want and need, and put whatever applicable time and research into that decision, to have what works best for them. Granted, a few may not realize what they have, most do, and own a 4Runner for those very reasons.
 
Don't be so sensitive, I didn't lump anybody anywhere. 99.9% may be an exaggeration, but don't try and pretend that the vast majority of 5th gen owners will ever do more than tow a utility trailer or drive on a gravel road.

The 5th gen owners on this forum are not representative of 5th gen owners in general.

You are correct with that comment. You could expand that too by including ALL generations of 4Runner owners.
 
I would be ashamed that the CR-Z handles like a 4Runner!

Isn't the CR-Z supposed to be a "sports car hybrid"???

"At least the 4Runner has a legitimate excuse for its poor handling."
 
I'm not being sensitive....just honest. I do think you give little credit to the people that pick out and research their vehicles for what they CAN do, not what they can't.

You think most people just happen to "wander" into a sale like this?? Really?

I think the consumer is much more versed in what they want and need, and put whatever applicable time and research into that decision, to have what works best for them. Granted, a few may not realize what they have, most do, and own a 4Runner for those very reasons.

Whatever. You're too tied up in how your truck affects your image to listen to any criticism, even when I go out of my way to indicate that I'm not criticising you. You're deluded if you think that the average late-model 4Runner owner bought their truck to get to a muddy oil lease or go rockcrawling on the Rubicon. Most people buy 4Runners because they think they need a large 4wd to go camping or fishing or skiing or whatever, and they want the comforts of a sedan or sports car when they do it. Toyota is marketing the 4Runner to exactly that segment, and Motor Trend is writing articles targeting that segment. Not to people who really need 4-low and body on frame, but to idiots who only think they do and posers that want to look like they do.

That's why the Motor Trend article is rating SUVs for their handling characteristics. Or are you asserting that the marketing and editorial departments of a huge automotive magazine got so successful by writing articles nobody wants to read? :lmao:
 
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I live in 4Runner country and most of them aren't bought for their off road capabilities as much as they are liked for their rep and do well in the snow but the people that actually off road their 4Runners is still quite a small number.
 
Is it a surprise to you that most buyers of the 5th gen aren't buying it for its offroad ability? Have you failed to notice that the 4Runner gets bigger, more luxurious, and less suited to real off-road every generation? Offroaders aren't the segment the 4Runner is being marketed to. Motor Trend knows this, and is writing articles that categorize the vehicles people are buying by the qualities they want in those vehicles.
You're right. And thankfully Toyota is smart enough to know if they only sold vehicles to "offroaders" they'd have lost the 4Runner a long time ago. You want a vehicle that's barely progressed over the last 30 years, a Jeep Wrangler is available.

Let's face it, 99.9% of 5th gen owners would happily sacrifice its offroad qualities for better handling and a softer ride, and the 6th gen truck will move even farther towards making those prospective buyers happy. We're just lucky that Toyota is even nodding in our direction by (so far) leaving things like body on frame, solid rear axles, and low range on the table.

I disagree. I think you'll find 99.9% of recent buyers bought the 5th gen because of its capabilities, not in spite of them. There are far better road biased choices out there, Toyota is doing something most others aren't - offering a choice ... Highlander, Hybrid Highlander, FJ, 4Runner... they're building to a wide variety of markets/buyers. And hopefully pleasing enough people to continue doing so.

Is every buyer going to go offroad to the extent they please you, thereby justifying their purchase (as you apparently see it needing to be done)? Doubtful. But does every hybrid owner drive in a way that maximizes gas mileage? Or does every Porsche owner take their car to the track enough to justify owning it? Or every WRX owner rally their car to justify its capabilities?

Toyota is marketing the 4Runner to exactly that segment, and Motor Trend is writing articles targeting that segment.
Actually, Motor Trend is typically marketing to "car guys," which is why they use a body on frame SUV to highlight the handling deficiencies of the Honda CR-Z. - Truck Trend, their sister publication markets to "truck and SUV guys."

And really, I don't see anything disparaging said about the 4Runner, other than it doesn't go fast around MT's figure 8 ... can file that under "duh."

Not to people who really need 4-low and body on frame, but to idiots who only think they do and posers that want to look like they do.

I've owned plenty of Porsche's and the best and worst part of it is the owners; most have a passion for their brand and heritage, while some are so pretentious it turns others away. Seems that pretentiousness can bleed into any brand and/or passion.
 
I find it funny they only call out the trail edition and most trail owners (w kdss) rave about the handling lol.....
 
I'm not being sensitive....just honest. I do think you give little credit to the people that pick out and research their vehicles for what they CAN do, not what they can't.

You think most people just happen to "wander" into a sale like this?? Really?

I think the consumer is much more versed in what they want and need, and put whatever applicable time and research into that decision, to have what works best for them. Granted, a few may not realize what they have, most do, and own a 4Runner for those very reasons.

Agreed with both of you. People do spend the time to research on what they want. Unfortunately what their wants and what their needs are don't always coincide. It's just like that 500 hp sporst car going 60mph on the fast lane holding traffic back.
 

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