bofa
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I think it's been made pretty clear that "they" don't necessarily represent the majority on this issue. Bring on the elections.
New Yorkers... Give up your guns.
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I think it's been made pretty clear that "they" don't necessarily represent the majority on this issue. Bring on the elections.
WillK
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One thing to remember is they're talking about NY City. There are another 12 or so million people that don't live in NY City who call New York home.
And it's a HUGE hunting/outdoor state so although this may apply to NY City, I don't see it being implemented statewide, at least not without a fight.
And it's a HUGE hunting/outdoor state so although this may apply to NY City, I don't see it being implemented statewide, at least not without a fight.
RunninInGA
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Noob. They didn't get there overnight - it happened incrementally bit by bit and will continue until those people either stop it or allow it to happen. Then another city / state will use NY as an example / precedent to set up their own restrictive laws into place.
What if your town is next? What part of Maryland do you call home?
Logan714
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Arizona by far has way better gun laws than Texas.
zopperman
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I feel like there is some truth to both of your statements. Yes, this is bad news bears for everyone, but NYC is SUCH a different animal from NYS. Having grown up in and around both, it's amazing. There is gun culture in NYS and a lot of it, hell, I've been to more ranges and stuff in NYS than I have in NJ.
Definitely taking an L here though. This could be a precedent, or other places may see NYC for the entirely different place that it is. Look at DC, I lived there for the last 2 summers and it's even worse. You basically can't have a gun within city limits, but i'm not sure if that's been used to justify other repressive gun laws or policies.
Either way, this does make me nervous, especially claiming residency in a part of the country that is so close to NYC and generally follows in it's political trends. Just thinking out loud a bit here..
RunninInGA
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Proximity be damned - I'm nearly 900 miles away and it makes me nervous.
WillK
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Noob, seriously...
As for a response, it is NYC, they have BANNED large soda drinks.
I haven't seen that trend anywhere else in the US. And no, as a standard the rest of the US does not follow NYC. Northeast yes- the rest of the US, no.
I think everyone needs to step back from the panic button and stand down from the fear mongering and let NYC worry about NYC.
If you don't like what NYC is doing, don't live there.
If you don't like what your state is doing- move, better yet- vote. Better yet, organize like minded people to campaign for people/politicians that share your ideas.
If you still don't like what's going on, wait until 2016, things will probably change..
As for a response, it is NYC, they have BANNED large soda drinks.
I haven't seen that trend anywhere else in the US. And no, as a standard the rest of the US does not follow NYC. Northeast yes- the rest of the US, no.
I think everyone needs to step back from the panic button and stand down from the fear mongering and let NYC worry about NYC.
If you don't like what NYC is doing, don't live there.
If you don't like what your state is doing- move, better yet- vote. Better yet, organize like minded people to campaign for people/politicians that share your ideas.
If you still don't like what's going on, wait until 2016, things will probably change..
bofa
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Actually, that was ruled unconstitutional at the state level... it's interesting that the judicial system values consumption over actual US Constitutional amendments.
And if you think political efforts don't spread like the measles, look into who was funding the Colorado gun laws earlier this year.
RunninInGA
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:rofl::noidea:
Yes, politics is every bit as infectious as many of the diseases we try to avoid contracting. Ever hear the term, "as does California, so does the rest of the nation"?
LandCruiser
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These laws are worrisome because:
-once they're passed, it's hard to undo them
-more and more states are passing idiotic gun legislation (see Colorado's background checks and magazine bans that make zero sense)
-I'd argue that it's a violation of the Constitution, but the current liberals in power don't give a shit about the Bill of Rights
-very few Americans are anti-gun, but many Americans are gun ambivalent (whether they're gun owners or not) and don't think that things like magazine bans, increased background checks, rifle and shotgun bans under a certain barrel length don't really matter since all they have is a 10 round 40 cal in the nightstand
-every fascist/totalitarian/Maoist regime rose to prominence by making citizens hand their guns over
-gun free zones, gun free homes, gun free states are NO SAFER--guns really do cut down on violent crime, but liberals seem to think that if they take guns away from law-abiding citizens, it'll somehow get them away from the bad guys as well
Well, does the fact that I can't have 30 rounds in my AR rifles and that I have to pay Hickenlooper another 10 bucks for the permission to have a gun in the state of Colorayduh infringe on my rights? Is it REALLY that big of a deal that I have to do a background check when I sell a gun to someone who isn't the closest, bestest, personal friend (under the wording of their law, I'm not sure if could transfer a gun to my wife since we haven't been married that long)? Yes, because the next thing you know those douchebags will start to take guns away from people the way they do in NY.
-once they're passed, it's hard to undo them
-more and more states are passing idiotic gun legislation (see Colorado's background checks and magazine bans that make zero sense)
-I'd argue that it's a violation of the Constitution, but the current liberals in power don't give a shit about the Bill of Rights
-very few Americans are anti-gun, but many Americans are gun ambivalent (whether they're gun owners or not) and don't think that things like magazine bans, increased background checks, rifle and shotgun bans under a certain barrel length don't really matter since all they have is a 10 round 40 cal in the nightstand
-every fascist/totalitarian/Maoist regime rose to prominence by making citizens hand their guns over
-gun free zones, gun free homes, gun free states are NO SAFER--guns really do cut down on violent crime, but liberals seem to think that if they take guns away from law-abiding citizens, it'll somehow get them away from the bad guys as well
Well, does the fact that I can't have 30 rounds in my AR rifles and that I have to pay Hickenlooper another 10 bucks for the permission to have a gun in the state of Colorayduh infringe on my rights? Is it REALLY that big of a deal that I have to do a background check when I sell a gun to someone who isn't the closest, bestest, personal friend (under the wording of their law, I'm not sure if could transfer a gun to my wife since we haven't been married that long)? Yes, because the next thing you know those douchebags will start to take guns away from people the way they do in NY.
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ddnww
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Racism, wasting taxpayers money, violating civil and constitutional rights, inmate sexual abuse and deaths, and refusing to cooperate with the federal government is not amusing or reasonable.
ddnww
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It's still the wild west out here.
nevada
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Man Arrested For Allegedly Shooting Realistic Toy Gun With Kids « CBS New York
it must hold 7 BB's....
it must hold 7 BB's....
In the 1700's the queen of England wasn't amused or didn't think it was reasonable wht the colonists didn't cooperate either.
RunninInGA
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WillK
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I was online trying to find more information about the new gun laws in NYC and I found this article by NYT.
Pretty interesting- I hope those that are passionate about this topic read it.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...s-enacted-in-the-year-since-newtown.html?_r=0
Pretty interesting- I hope those that are passionate about this topic read it.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...s-enacted-in-the-year-since-newtown.html?_r=0
bofa
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Making inmates go vegetarian and embarrassing them is fine by me.
Oh yeah, and I'm okay with not cooperating with the government in some cases. Infringing my rights happens to be one of them.
I didn't say all... but some for sure.
Wow! I spent a good half hour going through that link. It pretty much shows that a majority of the states have relaxed their gun laws in the past year. I did think it was funny that New Jersey had to pass a law that makes it illegal for those on a terrorist watch list to obtain a gun permit. You would think that would go without saying and wouldn't need to be a law that has been recently passed.
Thanks for the link, it was very informative!
WillK
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I saw that too! You'd think you wouldn't need a law like that, but you'd also think companies wouldn't have to tell people the coffee they just bought is hot!
Glad you liked it! I found it pretty interesting too.
I didn't post it to counter any discussion, but simply for its content.
Glad you liked it! I found it pretty interesting too.
I didn't post it to counter any discussion, but simply for its content.
bofa
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Sorry, I had to come back to this. There's a lot to absorb. I will say this though - what NYT considers "loosen gun restrictions" is a little hanky and makes me believe they can't be impartial. A lot of these were made to clarify existing legislation or protect privacy, which, imo does not loosen anything.
Also, the fact the they still widely use "assault weapon" is a bit of a clue.
For example:
- Makes concealed-carry permit records confidential.
- Recognizes open-carry permits from other states.
- States that applicants for concealed-carry permits are not required to provide their Social Security numbers.
- Allows firearms to be carried on a snowmobile on the permit holder's property.
- Requires submission of mental health records to National Instant Criminal Background Check System.
- Requires background checks for concealed-carry permit applicants.
- Provides civil immunity to firearm owners who leave guns on premises under their control if a gun is obtained by another person and used to commit a crime.
- Prohibits the destruction of firearms by a government entity as part of a buyback effort.
- Expands a prohibition on keeping records of gun possession and purchases.
- Allows a National Rifle Association safety program in licensed child care centers, preschools and schools.
- Allows the state attorney general to file injunctions against local governments that adopt regulations on firearms or ammunition.
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