Nitrous Enterprises Warning Thread

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This thread has gone from an interesting and informative debate to an internet witch hunt. What a sad thing to see on such a nice board.

Thai and Edge,

Drop it already guys! The idea is not to totally slam someone personally, or try to get to the bottom o something on an internet thread like we are in a courtroom. The things you are asking are silly, it is obvious you feelings from the way you phrased the questions, they can never be answered in a satisfactory manner on the internet……..it is pointless banter. This is what sucks about the internet.

4Route,
I would just not reply to that kind of garbage. You said your bit, Anthony said his, people have posted their feelings. There is more than enough info here to let people make up their own minds. Posts like the one above by Thai will also be judged accordingly. You have nothing to defend in regard to those comments, do not get sucked into a flame war.
 
Duc Hunter said:
do not get sucked into a flame war.


Good advice. I have stayed out of this because I have not dealt with NE. I do know that just last week when I asked about it, 3 people in one thread told me that they are great.

I think all the chips are on the table and people can make their own choices and form their own opinions. Unless someone else wants to share their personal experience here, this thread is not going to go anywhere.
 
Duc Hunter said:
This thread has gone from an interesting and informative debate to an internet witch hunt.

You're entitled to your opinion...as am I. Is that OK with you?? :) Am I using proper forum etiquette?? :D

I am happy that you are happy with NE...i hope that NE fulfills your order in a timely matter.
 
Thai, I will never understand where you get off saying the things you have said about me.

I shouldn't have been doing technical support? Are you kidding me? Do you not realize how many people have used my lift write-up to install their kits - even before NE? The issue was not with technical things - the issue was with the quality of the spacers themselves, and the fact that customers were being misled. If you question my involvement, ask people how many personal emails I sent apologizing for telling them what Anthony told me to (ONLY REGARDING SHIPPING DATES) only to find out that he had not lived up to his own promises.

You keep acting like I am inept at understanding spacer technology - I may not have made the spacers myself because as I stated, I never had all the necessary parts to do so, but I absolutely understand the questions that go with the lift. I wrote the FAQ on the site, I answered questions myself and I never needed Anthony to guide me through it. Hence why I was able to devote my time to that while he supposedly devoted his time to design and his architectural degree.

You are so insulting Thai, it is unbelievable to me. Your personal dislike for me is something I do not understand in the first place but the least you could do is not resort to personal attacks and other public expressions of your hatred.

How can you guys keep comparing this to Martha Stewart and Enron? I quit my job because as much as I tried to get him to change things, he never did and so Igot out of the business because I did not agree with sending crappy kits or continually not living up to promises of timely shipping.

I was tired of having to apologize for other people, and despite my attempts to confront him about it and his promises to change, nothing ever did - so I quit.

I got no money out of it, I have never been paid a cent for my work there, and Anthony withheld my shares in the company from me and distributed them among his new workers who are closer friends of his. So what exactly about this is like Enron or Martha Stewart? I quit a job, people quit jobs every second of the day.

Are you actually telling me you'd be more respectful toward me if I had stayed in that mess, shrugged off the lies, and refused to stand up for what I believed in?

I don't give a damn if you wouldn't send me a cent of your money. But to imply that I am incapable of pouring two parts, mixing them, and pouring them into a mold is incredibly insulting.

You are not playing the devil's advocate, Thai, you are giving me a hard time for the sake of trying to give me a hard time and trying to hurt me and seeing how far you can push a person that you dislike. Congratulations, Thai.

As for you, EDGE, when it seems like the cool thing to do is insult/attack me, you join in despite what you know of me. I am not so gullible as to be ignorant of what you are doing.

Was I naive? Yes and NO. It is not naive to believe the best about people, and to believe that change is possible - especially when you have no reason to doubt it from them. But yes, naive in believing certain instances of more serious lies.

I cannot believe the amount of crap you guys are giving me for quitting when I am not the reason people are complaining. I didn't make the kits - I understood the kits only through my understanding of and experience with Revtek's kit and spacer kits in general. Do I know anything about sliders? Hardly. But one thing I will not let you imply is that I should not have done the technical customer service - I answered every question that was thrown at us, and Anthony himself continually thanked me for the answers I gave and my understanding of how it all worked.

I want someone to tell me how exactly ANY of this resembles Enron or Martha Stewart.

I haven't destroyed the proof I have of everything I've said. I haven't (nor ever did) stand to make any money off of any of this. All I took into it was the desire to help people and the enjoyment I had in working on my truck, and my morals - I gave NE many chances to fix the issues I had with the product quality and the dishonesty. When it became clear to me that nothing was changing, I quit.

Do I think I could've made the kits and kept people happy? Yes. Because I had more free time to devote to it than AK, and because I would not have told people their kits were ready if they weren't. I would've been making the kits and therefore I would know without any doubt, the status of the kit and its quality. If I said it would ship that day, then it would ship that day.

I can't control Anthony. I can't make him do what he says he will, or when he says he will. I can't control the quality of the kits he ships out or the paint he uses. Those were the reasons why I continually confronted him and insisted that these things needed to change. Ask him how many times I told him that my kit was crap, and how many times he agreed that the quality of the one he sent me was crap, and how many times I told him that I was sick of him not living up to what he said he would do as far as shipping, and how I warned him that if those things were not fixed, people would start complaining despite his best efforts to suggest their silence.

I was a customer just like everyone else, and had I not been trying so hard to remain loyal and aid in the changes that needed to be made by encouraging him to make those changes, then you bet I would've come out and said something. If I had not truly thought he realized the importance of changing those things and that he actually would, I would have quit the day I received my NE kit. You don't realize that I went through the same thing when I bought my own NE kit - the same promises about when it was shipping and the status of the kit itself - only to find a week later it hadn't even been made. The extent of my frustration was very much due to the fact that I knew how it felt as a customer to feel like you were being mislead. The kit was not the only occasion in which I went through that with him.

Fault me for believing in someone that I had no reason, at the time, to doubt, and that's fine. But I pity you if you could be as cold as to never have believed enough to give a person a second chance.

"fool me once, shame on you - fool me twice, shame on me" ... isn't that how it goes? i got tired of it. I got out of the situation because things were not getting any better.

And just so you know, I am more than capable of doing customer service when it comes to tire sizes that will fit with a certain amount of lift, all you'll have to do to fit them without rubbing, how to install a lift kit, how the components work, etc.

You, (Thai, and EDGE) have done a magnificent job shifting the focus and blame here. Unfortunately for you, you are absolutely wrong in the things you are saying/implying, and if I hadn't already been threatened multiple times for talking, then I would have absolutely no issue with proving every statement I have made.

But believe me, it says a LOT about you that you are faulting me for getting out of a business with which my morals did not agree. It implies that if you were in a similar situation, knowing all the dishonesty that was going on and that things were not getting any better, you would remain in the company. Why? For the money? For fear? What?

I was never paid and never received anything out of my involvement with NE - I gained nothing by staying but the chance to help and watch Anthony and other people's happiness increase. All I gained from leaving was the knowledge that I had done the right thing, morally, as nothing was changing and the lies continued as more people got involved in NE as employees.
 
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Time for me to come clean.

When NE announced their spacer kit/reloc, I was excited and ready to be an early adopter. I sent in my money on faith, wanting to support a young company launched by passionate people new to running a business.

I paid somewhere around the second week of October. I got my kit on 11/25, without the relocs. No effort was spared (particularly by 4route) to keep me updated as to where my order was--she was always very nice and appreciative for my patience. If I had expected that I'd be waiting six weeks before receiving an incomplete shipment, I would not have forked over the dough so far in advance. The relocs arrived on 12/10, completing the kit two months after sending my money. But this still didn't particularly upset me because of my desire to support a business just getting off its feet.

I (and my install team) was quite concerned about the quality of the bolts holding the strut tower assembly together, and I said so in my original write up on my web page. I received very concerned e-mails and instant messages from Anthony, who a) insisted the bolts I received were grade 5 (they weren't) and b) wanted to avoid negative publicity. In exchange for a promise to get me the proper bolts ASAP and a discount on sliders, I agreed to compromise my journalistic (blogalistic?) integrity and omit the gripes regarding the bolts (but pictures remained on the site which made the issue clear). To be fair, although we thought the bolts were crappy, nobody thought there was a safety issue or that the bolts weren't likely to hold. We just wanted to see the same level of excellence that was evident in the relocs.

I have since received the replacement bolts and have yet to install them, but they look absolutely perfect--like the OEM bolts but longer.

Recognizing that there is now a big controversy regarding NE and it appears their only hope for staying in business is to gradually rebuild customer confidence, I have restored my writeup to its original state. You can see it at http://irace.net/truckstuff.

Thai said:
So, would you buy stuff from 4route?? Would you send her $$$$ into her paypal account??

Yes. The vibe I got from Tracy/4Route has always struck me as genuine. I believe she found herself wrapped up in a company that ultimately wasn't behaving in a way she thought was right. I believe she found herself trying to keep her customers happy and passing along promises she may not have entirely believed. For all anyone knows, she may have stretched the limits of her own integrity in other ways too. But (this is all in my humble opinion) she realized she wasn't comfortable with the way the business was being run and quit. I truly think she's OK.

As for Anthony/forrunabilly, I have no hard feelings there either. I think he's learned a thing or two about running a business, and I bet there are things he'll do differently next time. NE is welcome to continue to use my testimonial on their site.

Bottom bottom line? The NE X-REAS reloc is amazing. I REALLY like my spacer kit and taller ride. And there is no doubt in my mind that I (eventually) got my money's worth. Best wishes to all parties involved.
 
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and for your information, THAI, it is not like NE is finished. I QUIT AND THAT IS ALL. NE continues to go forward with their business on a daily basis, as he now has some of his other friends working there. As for me starting a spacer business, are you kidding me? It isn't what I want to do with my life. I wanted to help a friend, and then to help people with their trucks - those were the reasons I joined NE.
 
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4route said:
and for your information, THAI, it is not like NE is finished. I QUIT AND THAT IS ALL. NE continues to go forward with their business on a daily basis, as he now has some of his other friends working there. As for me starting a spacer business, are you kidding me? It isn't what I want to do with my life. I wanted to help a friend, and then to help people with their trucks - those were the reasons I joined NE.

T, why do you even respond to Thai's posts. Is seems to me he enjoys messing with you. I wouldn't even give him the satisfaction.
 
when someone relates you to a war criminal, Enron, and Martha Stewart - and you know that you have done nothing wrong, good luck fighting off the desire to defend yourself against those accusations and the petty personal attacks.

thai, i can't believe you are actually proud of yourself. i find it almost funny that you have extended such warmth and kindness to Anthony while stopping at nothing to crucify me.

at least EDGE had the courtesy to privately PM me and set the record straight about his accusations.
 
Thai said:
Actually, AK, you're still a member on this forum (for now

For now? Why for now? That is simply a threat and shows you maturity on this matter. Are you a moderator? Have you seen behavior from 4Route or fourunability that means they should be thrown off here?
 
Duc Hunter said:
For now? Why for now? That is simply a threat and shows you maturity on this matter. Are you a moderator? Have you seen behavior from 4Route or fourunability that means they should be thrown off here?

Look Duc, do you know the whole story between me and AK?? No. Let's see, you insulted YT mods and now this forum...keep it up, you're in good company!

Thanks for commenting.:)
 
4route said:
if Thai wasn't a moderator, i'm not sure his personal attacks would be tolerated.

Yeah, that's a shame...here's a violin: :violin:

Are you gonna start whining now like you have in the past??:cry:

BTW, when did i extend such warmth and kindness to Anthony??
 
Whining? No, sir! I wouldn't give you the satisfaction. Mostly, I'm just laughing because it must be nice being able to forget to treat people the way you'd like to be treated. It's pretty funny, actually! So, thanks for the laugh, I needed it.

:arrow:

Have a fabulous day!
 
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Thai said:
Look Duc, do you know the whole story between me and AK?? No. Let's see, you insulted YT mods and now this forum...keep it up, you're in good company!

Insulted the YT Moderators? No, I commented on their behavior and made suggestions as to how I felt things should have been handled differently. I did not personally attack them. I also harbor no ill will towards then, 4Route or anyone here, which can be seen clearly in my commentary. You on the other hand are full of threats to people and ill will towards others, which only serves to undermine your relevant commentary. Do I know the whole story between you and AK, no. Does anyone here? I assume no since you have not put it here and made the comment you did above. Does it matter in regards to this thread, nope. This is an NE Warning thread from a person who had problems with them. What do your threats towards AK, 4Route and others here have to do with how Faeylyn and a few others had problems with NE? They don’t.
 
Duc Hunter said:
This is an NE Warning thread from a person who had problems with them. What do your threats towards AK, 4Route and others here have to do with how Faeylyn and a few others had problems with NE? They don’t.

I thought it was obvious...but here's an "easy/simplified" version (for all ages to understand) of what i said to AK above: WARNING to him about doing business on my forum. Is that clear enough???
 
No offense Thai, alot of these posts are getting way too personal and kind of scary.

The issue here is not about persons' past relationship, but NE's business conduct.

Please don't flame me, but after reading where this thread its become quite a turn off. Maybe this thread should be closed.
 
GRIMACE said:
The issue here is not about persons' past relationship, but NE's business conduct.

Well, that's the whole point...someone's past relationship with an apparent bad company should not be taken lightly. History tends to repeat themselves if not taken seriously.

But, i will close the thread. People can make their own opinion.
 
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