LawnDart
Senior Member
Nope.
Safari snorkel on a 5th gen?
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Nope.
Tlowe
New member
I really want to know more about how the "Highly effective water separator" works. Is there a drain tube with a filter inside the fender that just catches water and other stuff or is it the inlet that somehow blocks the water?
Before reading this in the release document, I didn't really think about the fact that this thing sits up in the air (potentially) sucking every known thing into it (rain, dirt, snow etc.). Curious about how they are doing this.
Before reading this in the release document, I didn't really think about the fact that this thing sits up in the air (potentially) sucking every known thing into it (rain, dirt, snow etc.). Curious about how they are doing this.
AlexJet
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When air with rain enters the the scoop it has to make sharp 90 degree turn. Water drops being heavy, can't make such turn at speed, so drops accumulate at the rear wall of the scoop and slide down to the drain holes in the scoop outside.
See the illustration for your reference.
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jwfowler
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I have seen these concerns and to my best idea, backyard mechanic on anything, I don't see why there would be an issue. The snorkel comes with its own rubber attachment that from what Ive seen attaches to the stock air box. The TRD isnt any different, so as having the TRD intake im hoping to prove these ideas wrong we will see who wins though :art:
wfo9
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The idea of limited production seems like hype. The work is the mold development... After that, it seems like it would just be like printing money. Who would not print money if they could LOL.
It's a piece of plastic. Yes, I just spent 500+ on a piece of plastic, but the cost is the R&D.... I seriously doubt it cost much to produce more. Most companies will produce product if it is profitable.... simple as that. My guess is this is profitable at $500 for a piece of plastic. If there is demand more will be produced.
Just using common sense here.. I have no facts.
It's a piece of plastic. Yes, I just spent 500+ on a piece of plastic, but the cost is the R&D.... I seriously doubt it cost much to produce more. Most companies will produce product if it is profitable.... simple as that. My guess is this is profitable at $500 for a piece of plastic. If there is demand more will be produced.
Just using common sense here.. I have no facts.
Engineer
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Agreed, I am no expert but I have never seen them run "limited" runs on any other snorkels (not really looked either , just never heard of that). I could buy if there is constrained manufacturing space things could be delayed if they only run a batch of these every 6m etc where as a more popular model had a dedicated line but to think this is will a truly limited run seems far fetch....I've been wrong once before
AlexJet
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I think, Safari just does production runs periodically. As you stated, may be once in 6 month. If they are sold the previous batch, new goes in, if stocks are still good for another period,new production may be postpone till next period, etc.
I have no connection to either ARB or Safari, so time frames may actually be different...
What I believe is now, is that first run of whatever number (20 or 30, or...) was done. As seems like it was sold even before reaching the warehouse, 2nd run will be done later, but the big question is when Safari would have a spot in its production...
I have no connection to either ARB or Safari, so time frames may actually be different...
What I believe is now, is that first run of whatever number (20 or 30, or...) was done. As seems like it was sold even before reaching the warehouse, 2nd run will be done later, but the big question is when Safari would have a spot in its production...
LawnDart
Senior Member
Well at least you're right about that.
The molds cost a LOT of money, as in the 5 digit amount, sometimes almost 6 digits. You're also limited to how many machines are available at any one time to do the molds depending on how many molds you have. And you have to cycle the molds for production demands, and as stated the amount of demand for this isn't as high as other models for international vehicle platforms.
The 4Runner isn't a massive production vehicle on the scale of other platforms, and then of those the amount of research shows it's an even smaller percentage of that user base that will buy them. Remember that for every 10 people who say they want a snorkel, 2-3 will actually pony up the cash. A forum is not indicative of the user base.
I've had 3 prototypes, I've almost been faced with a massive rebuild of my body work when I was facing having to take off the snorkel, when this was in limbo. This is a niche item and for everyone *****ing, I'm glad the snorkel is almost out. Trust me I was coming back from CBI when my snorkel started shaking in the wind when the A-pillar screws stripped out and a huge crack developed down the body. I can finally talk about some of this now.
Either way, ARB makes these in batches, how many batches is anyone's guess. They all taper off, they keep some stock, but I bet the first two batches will sell out, then taper off dramatically in demand.
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LawnDart
Senior Member
As described the 90 degree bend creates positive pressure, so in the rain you actually get water either shooting OUT the intake, or running out the water run off ports.
One of the things you'll see is some folks turn their intake around backwards. ARB frowns at this as it's cutting off air intake to the engine (which on diesels isn't a big deal because you don't need the volume of air) whereas you'll throw all sorts of MAF codes on most gasoline engines. Some folks believe that driving with the intake forward will dump water into your engine. Nope, it won't. The only times turning it around is advisable is say in really heavy/wet snow, where it can go into the tube, around the bend, and start building up and melting into the airbox.
I've driven mine through a monsoon in the Mojave coming back from Las Vegas, like rain so intense it physically HURT to get out of the truck on the side of the road, and the airbox looked bone dry even after an hour of that crap dumping.
AlexJet
New member
I have driven through very heavy snow storms on my 4th Gen in Canada and my airbox was dry. Snorkel scoop does a good job pushing water out.
LawnDart
Senior Member
Agreed, same. I drove through white out conditions this monday and not a drop of water. What I mean by advisable is ARB says not to flip the intake around, but for heavy snow they said "eh it MIIIIIIGHT be okay."
Liquidmantis
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This was one of the 3D printed prototypes, right? This shouldn't be of much concern with the production molded ones?
LawnDart
Senior Member
Correct. All of which I still have to contractually destroy in the next few weeks.
whitewinger
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I went and ordered from Sierra Expeditions also. Can't wait. :naughty:
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jimster716
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Updating since it's up on the sierra expeditions website, called Will and paid in full for two units (one for each side for double coolness...kidding, buddy wants one too).
