Suspension decisions, spend my $400

Okay, I am about to pull the trigger. Here are my options, what do you guys think?

Option One:
1 x Toytec/Eibach front coil lift springs $149.99
1 x Bilstein Height adjustable front and matching 5100 Rear shocks $549.99
Rear lift options: Rear 2 inch lift Toytec superflex rear coils (+ $150.00)
2 Products $664.98

The plus to this kit is that the Bilsteins have a lifetime warranty. Toytec also will send a replacement before you send back the damaged shock. Jeff at Toytec said that the feedback from this kit is that the ride is better than the OME. Only downside on this kit is it only gives 2.5" of front lift.

Option Two:
1 x OME full suspension -- Click here for details $769.99
Front Coil spring options: 884 light front coils
Front top plate spacers: no top plate spacers
Rear Coil options: Toytec Light superflex rear coils
Rear shock options: 60020 (For Toytec superflex rear coils)
Model year: 2010 UP 4Runner and 2010up FJ
Add rear shock stone guards (Pair): NO
Assembly of front coils/shocks with new mounts and bushings: NO
1 Product $731.49

The plus side to this kit is that it is a full 3" lift in the front. The ride, I have been told, is not as good as the other kit listed. The shocks have a three year warranty vs lifetime.

Option Three:
1 x Front OME Lift Coils $169.99
Select coil: 884 Light coils
Options: No top plate spacers 1 x Bilstein Height adjustable front and matching 5100 Rear shocks $549.99
Rear lift options: Rear 2 inch lift Toytec superflex rear coils (+ $150.00)
2 Products $683.98

This option is something I have not yet went over with Jeff, but I would assume it would work fine. All the plus sides of Option One, plus a full 3" front lift.

I will be paying the additional $100 to have these pre assembled regardless of the kit I order. What do you guys think, especially those of you using one of the options.
 
Personally I think I'd go for the first option...lifetime warranty, still pretty good lift, and confirmed better ride. I'm not sure if I'd let a 1/2" be a deal killer (if I read it right) Also, what makes the most towing sense...cause that's a part of the equation too...right?

I'm guessing, but I'd bet 90-95% of your driving is on pavement? Certainly, improved off road capabilities are a big plus, especially when you're dropping that kind of coin.

Good luck with it...either way.

Pat
 
I would go with the first option. Had bilsteins on my Tundra and they worked welled but the ride will be noticably stiffer and coupled with the new springs should help with nose dive, lean, and towing sag.

I have read a lot on the OME stuff and seems like the springs tend to soften quickly and you most likely will need a set up UCA with the 884's to get aligment in specs.

Also, lift kits which provide 3 inches or more can affect the steering geometery (read: the need for UCA, diff drop spacer, etc.).

Stu
 
brockeverly said:
Okay, I am about to pull the trigger. Here are my options, what do you guys think?

Option One:
1 x Toytec/Eibach front coil lift springs $149.99
1 x Bilstein Height adjustable front and matching 5100 Rear shocks $549.99
Rear lift options: Rear 2 inch lift Toytec superflex rear coils (+ $150.00)
2 Products $664.98

The plus to this kit is that the Bilsteins have a lifetime warranty. Toytec also will send a replacement before you send back the damaged shock. Jeff at Toytec said that the feedback from this kit is that the ride is better than the OME. Only downside on this kit is it only gives 2.5" of front lift.

Option Two:
1 x OME full suspension -- Click here for details $769.99
Front Coil spring options: 884 light front coils
Front top plate spacers: no top plate spacers
Rear Coil options: Toytec Light superflex rear coils
Rear shock options: 60020 (For Toytec superflex rear coils)
Model year: 2010 UP 4Runner and 2010up FJ
Add rear shock stone guards (Pair): NO
Assembly of front coils/shocks with new mounts and bushings: NO
1 Product $731.49

The plus side to this kit is that it is a full 3" lift in the front. The ride, I have been told, is not as good as the other kit listed. The shocks have a three year warranty vs lifetime.

Option Three:
1 x Front OME Lift Coils $169.99
Select coil: 884 Light coils
Options: No top plate spacers 1 x Bilstein Height adjustable front and matching 5100 Rear shocks $549.99
Rear lift options: Rear 2 inch lift Toytec superflex rear coils (+ $150.00)
2 Products $683.98

This option is something I have not yet went over with Jeff, but I would assume it would work fine. All the plus sides of Option One, plus a full 3" front lift.

I will be paying the additional $100 to have these pre assembled regardless of the kit I order. What do you guys think, especially those of you using one of the options.
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I was looking at the exact same 3 options. I like option one but I was thinking of not doing the front springs. Just 5100s and the rear spring for 549.99. Maybe it would lessen some of the stiffness up front? I would rather do a 1.5 rear spring maybe instead of the toytec they suggest to put on. Keep us posted.
 
Brock,

Looks like the average price of the three is about $700. IMO stick with the spacer lift you have for the time being and save up the other $800 and go with a fully adjustable 0 to 3.5" front CO with rear springs and shocks from King, Icon or OW. The advantage is you can dial in the ride height you want and not be limited to notches on the shock body also you can adjust them to eliminate that lean you hate so much.:thumb3: They are also rebuildable and revalveable and the quality far surpasses the Bilsteins.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I have an inkling that you're thinking you should have done it right the first time and gone with a suspension lift instead of spacers, don't make that mistake twice.

Again this all is just my opinion :pimp:

Good luck bro ;):
 
brockeverly said:
Any chance you could give me your ground to fender measurements :)
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I just checked it again yesterday so I know the numbers off the top of my head.
Both Fronts are at 37.5" and both Rears are at 39.5"
I have the same tires as you so I just measured the clearence from the tops of the tires to the fender and the Front is 6.25" and the Rear is 8"
Hope that helps, if you need any other measurements let me know.
I am taking her out for her first off-road adventure tmrw so I will let you know if I rip off my inner liners.
 
Mijfwb23 said:
I just checked it again yesterday so I know the numbers off the top of my head.
Both Fronts are at 37.5" and both Rears are at 39.5"
I have the same tires as you so I just measured the clearence from the tops of the tires to the fender and the Front is 6.25" and the Rear is 8"
Hope that helps, if you need any other measurements let me know.
I am taking her out for her first off-road adventure tmrw so I will let you know if I rip off my inner liners.
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Did you have to run the 1/4" spacer for the drivers side lean? Are you running the Bilsteins at 2.5? My current lift has me at FL 38" FR 38.75" RL 38.75" RR 39" so if that is the case I am losing around an inch on a 2.5" lift, which makes no sense. From the top of my tire to the fender is also 7" in the front. Maybe this lift is not the right one for me, I do not want to lose height. Gaining is fine, but not losing.
 
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Qjake said:
Brock,

Looks like the average price of the three is about $700. IMO stick with the spacer lift you have for the time being and save up the other $800 and go with a fully adjustable 0 to 3.5" front CO with rear springs and shocks from King, Icon or OW. The advantage is you can dial in the ride height you want and not be limited to notches on the shock body also you can adjust them to eliminate that lean you hate so much.:thumb3: They are also rebuildable and revalveable and the quality far surpasses the Bilsteins.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I have an inkling that you're thinking you should have done it right the first time and gone with a suspension lift instead of spacers, don't make that mistake twice.

Again this all is just my opinion :pimp:

Good luck bro ;):
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I will never want to go that route so I won't have to do this again. I had coilovers on my Subaru and I will not take that route again. I will spend that extra $800 on some sliders, hookers, and beer :)
 
Pardon my ignorance but how good are these shocks your all talking about? I'm very interested in doing a lift and suspension upgrade to get rid of body roll but without sacrificing offroad ability. I only ask because a quality shock upgrade for my motorcycle such as an ohlins would cost 1,000+ for one shock. These suspensions are so cheap by comparison it makes you wonder what your getting in terms of durability and performance quality especially considering the tolerances and load ranges on motorycles shocks are way less than on a heavy truck.

If someone wants to install a high quality shock where do they look first? Again pardon my ignorance - It's a genuine question - I'm not being a smartarse or anything. I'm just blown away by how cheap these upgrades are.. It's the same when you guys complain about tires than don't do 40 or 50k miles.. I have to laugh.. I'm used to getting 3k out of a set of high performance tires.
 
^ was having the same thought. I'm not used to finding quality products this cheap.

It sounds like the 4Runner suspension is a bit soft from the factory. Does it ride more like a Pathfinder or an Xterra? I love the stiffer Xterra suspension and loathed the Pathfinder for that very reason. If the 4R is soft, that'll be the first thing I do.

Another question I had... are the Bilsteins themselves strong enough to support a slightly raised ride height without changing the springs - or is that kind of half-as5ing it? In my cars spring changes were more common but I see a lot of mix/match and I'm a bit new to truck suspension systems.
 
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brockeverly said:
I will never want to go that route so I won't have to do this again. I had coilovers on my Subaru and I will not take that route again. I will spend that extra $800 on some sliders, hookers, and beer :)
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:confused::confused:

Your trucks front suspension is coilover, the kits you listed are coilover, If you want a suspension lift in the front it has to be coilovers.

Though hookers and beer sound good! :thumb3:
 
Qjake said:
:confused::confused:

Your trucks front suspension is coilover, the kits you listed are coilover, If you want a suspension lift in the front it has to be coilovers.

Though hookers and beer sound good! :thumb3:
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Meant adjustable coil over, but you got my wheels turning. OW2.0 kit is $1390 shipped, researching reviews now lol
 
The OW kits are nice, I considered them myself but with the sale that Metal-Tech just had on Icon I couldn't pass it up!

Remember if your gonna go 3" lift your gonna want to consider UCA'S
 
brockeverly said:
Did you have to run the 1/4" spacer for the drivers side lean? Are you running the Bilsteins at 2.5? My current lift has me at FL 38" FR 38.75" RL 38.75" RR 39" so if that is the case I am losing around an inch on a 2.5" lift, which makes no sense. From the top of my tire to the fender is also 7" in the front. Maybe this lift is not the right one for me, I do not want to lose height. Gaining is fine, but not losing.
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I didn't install any spacers. But even after hitting the trails today and remeasuring it I still have the same measurements with no lean. Maybe the KDSS keeps me level? I know thats not what its for but the beefer sway bar and hydro shock might help.
I had a great day of climbing around in some mud and up a few steep in/de-clines and I still have my liners. Actually I never heard them hit once.
 
Pulled the trigger. In typical fashion, I went through all options in depth so I feel I made the best decision for my application. With Jeff at Toytecs help I decided on 884 fronts, Superflex rears, OME shocks, and a diff drop. I opted for assembly as well to make the install as easy as possible. Adjustables would be nice, but not needed. Saving the extra $600 I would have spent I can go ahead and pull the trigger on some custom sliders and skid plates. Jeff has been a huge help taking my 500 phone calls over the past few weeks while I tossed around ideas. I highly recommend him if calling Toytec as well as Andries at Overland Warehouse.
 
Wait you saved $600 when you only wanted to spend $400 at first, and now you are getting sliders and skid plates??? I like your style. :cheers:

So how much did your order end up costing you?
 
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