Tech Help Needed: General Grabber ATX on 2018 TRDORP

[ahtoxa11]

OP, the 285/70/17 fits just fine in the spare area. I have my KO2s in that size mounted up with no issues. It's a wider tire than stock so it hangs down a little lower, but it's not evident nor a hinderance, IMO.

P/SL vs E? For me, the decision was load C, which is the middle ground. Es are too much for the 4runner when it comes to street driving -- they will transmit small bumps and cracks in the road more than C and especially P-rated tires.

So consider other tires that come in C load in the size you want. To me, most AT tires are pretty close in how they perform given the same load rating comparison. The differences aren't that huge, I think. So, it comes down to the looks of the tire and load rating for most people. If I HAD to choose the between P and E, I'd probably go E. I don't daily drive much, so durability offroad would take priority. If I did drive a lot more, I'd probably stick with P and ensure my spare was well-maintained in case there was an issue on the trail.

This is how I ended up with Load C KO2s in 285/70 flavor. They look good and aren't too stiff, although they are stiffer than P/SL so you will feel more NVH with them.

 

[Tuco S.]

I went with KO2s because of the 3 ply sidewall and being a C-load. The Generals are at a great price point, but I have had great experiences with KO2s and definitely would have been disappointed in going with the Generals for the $200 price difference. KO2s also look cooler because Smiles per Gallon is important

I'm pretty sure the C load KO2 has a 2-ply sidewall. The E load has a 3-ply sidewall for sure.

 

[Pedro367]

I'm pretty sure the C load KO2 has a 2-ply sidewall. The E load has a 3-ply sidewall for sure.

Well look at that. You're right. Thought they all had the TriGard sidewall.

 

[Jeff_DML]

I have 285 E rated K02, ride seems fine to me but want to get C next time for less weight.

And as previously mentioned, 285(at least K02) fit fine in spare tire spot.

OP, the extra clearance is nice in Anza Borrego with 285 but I understand not wanting to lug around the extra weight/lower MPG.

 

[Jeff_DML]

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And as previously mentioned, 285(at least K02) fit fine in spare tire spot.

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wow, it is a lot tighter then I expected.It is flush against the trailer hitch. Maybe the chain pulley pulls it flush to it?

These are actually used 285 KO2 and K02 supposedly run small for 285.

 

[nickjo]

I'm struggling mightily with replacing my stock Dunlop tires with an E rated or P rated tire. Planning to get General Grabber ATX. There's no C load option.

I believe General makes their AT/X 265/70 r17 in C load.

I found it here on Tire Rack: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tire...TR7GRATX&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

 

[91foxbody]

I believe General makes their AT/X 265/70 r17 in C load.

I found it here on Tire Rack: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tire...TR7GRATX&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

They only sell stock size in SL (which they apparently don’t like being called “P”) and E.


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[nickjo]

They only sell stock size in SL (which they apparently don’t like being called “P”) and E.


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Their website lists a C load range tire in stock size, I think? Not sure if I'm missing something.

 

[91foxbody]

Their website lists a C load range tire in stock size, I think? Not sure if I'm missing something.

I can’t find that, and only see SL/E rating here.

https://generaltire.com/sites/default/files/tires/files/GT19_Grabber_ATx_ProductFlyer_v2_Print.pdf


I’ll be damned, I just found the C rated tire on TR. It must be brand new. Just bought SL in stock size 2 months ago, son of a *****!
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[nglayton]

A day or 2 off road by yourself? Definitely go with anything but P or SL. You're just asking for trouble with a P rated tire.

I went from stock 265P up to 275 E's and they are just fine.
Although I know they are heavier, so for the next set I buy will be 285 C range.

 

[jhmoore]

I can’t find that, and only see SL/E rating here.

https://generaltire.com/sites/default/files/tires/files/GT19_Grabber_ATx_ProductFlyer_v2_Print.pdf


I’ll be damned, I just found the C rated tire on TR. It must be brand new. Just bought SL in stock size 2 months ago, son of a *****!
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You're right, General Tire does not list a C load on their website. If this is real, it'd be great. Guess I'll send another inquiry to General Tire.

 

[jhmoore]

I believe General makes their AT/X 265/70 r17 in C load.

I found it here on Tire Rack: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tire...TR7GRATX&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

the tire on that link has a load rating BELOW the load rating that General Tire gives for their SL tire... doesn't make a lot of sense...

 

[nickjo]

the tire on that link has a load rating BELOW the load rating that General Tire gives for their SL tire... doesn't make a lot of sense...

Odd. Let me know if you hear from GT about why that's the case.

That said, I can confirm they do exist.

 

[jhmoore]

General Tire confirms that the 265/70R17 A/Tx does exist in a C load:

"We offer the Grabber A/Tx in an LT265/70R17 112/109T LRC, under part number 04509790000. We are currently experiencing a delay in site updates."

That said...

- The OEM tires are a 113S
- The A/Tx SL are 115T
- The A/Tx C are 112T

So the C are UNDER the original load rating for the vehicle (which I assume isn't good) and UNDER the load rating of the SL... which just flat out confuses me! I sent another question back to General Tire about that.

 

[jhmoore]

That said, I can confirm they do exist.

Hard to argue with a photo of the actual tire!!!!

 

[mo_mo]

General Tire confirms that the 265/70R17 A/Tx does exist in a C load:

"We offer the Grabber A/Tx in an LT265/70R17 112/109T LRC, under part number 04509790000. We are currently experiencing a delay in site updates."

That said...

- The OEM tires are a 113S
- The A/Tx SL are 115T
- The A/Tx C are 112T

So the C are UNDER the original load rating for the vehicle (which I assume isn't good) and UNDER the load rating of the SL... which just flat out confuses me! I sent another question back to General Tire about that.

I believe that P-metric tires take a load reduction hit of 1/1.1, so roughly a 9% hit, when mounted on a truck or SUV. Also the LR C vs the SL would have different max pressures and would need to be run at different pressures for the same load.

 

[91foxbody]

General Tire confirms that the 265/70R17 A/Tx does exist in a C load:

"We offer the Grabber A/Tx in an LT265/70R17 112/109T LRC, under part number 04509790000. We are currently experiencing a delay in site updates."

That said...

- The OEM tires are a 113S
- The A/Tx SL are 115T
- The A/Tx C are 112T

So the C are UNDER the original load rating for the vehicle (which I assume isn't good) and UNDER the load rating of the SL... which just flat out confuses me! I sent another question back to General Tire about that.

They did tell me via email:

"Thank you for contacting Customer Relations at General Tire. You are correct, the LT C version of the A/Tx will be more durable than the P-Metric version."

....so hopefully the sidewall is a bit more durable? I notice that the tread width is ~1.2'' wider and the tread depth is 1/16'' deeper.

 

[jhmoore]

Got this back from General Tire:

"P-Metric tires are rated with a 10% overage in load capability when used on SUV's, Light Trucks, and Vans because of the difference in load handling. However, there is no 10% overage for LT tires. An SL tire has an equivalent 4 ply sidewall, while a C has a 6 ply sidewall, offering slightly more durability than the SL.

Part#: 04509790000
Pattern_Name: GRABBER A/TX
Description: LT265/70R17 112/109T FR GRABBER A/TX
Load Range: C
Load Index: 112 - 2469 lbs
Season: AS
UPC: 51342213313
Width: 10.43"
Rim Width: 17"
Secvtion Width: 10.7"
Overall Diameter: 31.61"


I asked a couple follow up questions and got this:

"The tire is 46 lbs. As for the load range E tires, they have an equivalent 10 ply rating."

 

[91foxbody]

That makes me particularly pissed that after ~30 days of hemming and hawing I bought SL-rated ATX's 3 months ago LOL.

 

[CMTAZ]

I used stock size wildpeaks on my 2018. They have been great on and off road (though the off road stuff is pretty mild).