Toyo Open Country A/T II

[WXman]

You don't think it's over kill?

Most of the time, LT E tires are overkill for midsize SUVs and I don't recommend them. However, the newest tires on the market (GY Duratrac, Toyo ATII, Cooper AT3, etc.) are being designed with weight savings in mind due to the more fuel conscious attitude of consumers based upon fuel prices. So... since you are set on the ATII Toyo tires I wouldn't hesitate to run the E version. They are listed at only 49 lbs. That's not bad at all.

My personal opinion is that I'd get the Hankook ATM or Cooper AT3 over the Toyo. Both of those are more aggressive and will work better in snow and mud. But the Toyos are pretty nice.

 

[zopperman]

Most of the time, LT E tires are overkill for midsize SUVs and I don't recommend them. However, the newest tires on the market (GY Duratrac, Toyo ATII, Cooper AT3, etc.) are being designed with weight savings in mind due to the more fuel conscious attitude of consumers based upon fuel prices. So... since you are set on the ATII Toyo tires I wouldn't hesitate to run the E version. They are listed at only 49 lbs. That's not bad at all.

My personal opinion is that I'd get the Hankook ATM or Cooper AT3 over the Toyo. Both of those are more aggressive and will work better in snow and mud. But the Toyos are pretty nice.

Thanks for the suggestion. Snow is a decent concern - I was actually torn between these and the Hankooks and now you have me looking back into them. I never really looked into the coopers. But here at 186 per tire for the Pizza Cutter and at 37 LBS?! My Michellin LTX probably weigh more than that

and 168 for the 265/70 http://www.amazon.com/Hankook-DynaP...sr=1-1&keywords=Hankook+DynaPro+ATM+265/70/17

 

[WXman]

If you decide to go with Hankooks, check out discounttiredirect.com. They have the lowest prices and free shipping and lots of times they run rebate specials, forum member specials, etc. Can't beat them.

If you decide to go with Coopers or Toyos, I have found that treaddepot.com is the lowest price I could find.

I just got new tires yesterday and came within a hair of pulling the trigger on some more Hankooks...but ended up with Kenda MTs for the same price. I haven't installed them yet...still wondering if the Hankook would actually be a better choice for my driving.

I know the Toyo ATII is super popular, but they just don't impress me. The tread blocks actually have less voids and channels than other tires. They are great tires, no doubt. But I just think there are better options on the market. Again, just one guy's opinion.

 

[zopperman]

If you decide to go with Hankooks, check out discounttiredirect.com. They have the lowest prices and free shipping and lots of times they run rebate specials, forum member specials, etc. Can't beat them.

If you decide to go with Coopers or Toyos, I have found that treaddepot.com is the lowest price I could find.

I just got new tires yesterday and came within a hair of pulling the trigger on some more Hankooks...but ended up with Kenda MTs for the same price. I haven't installed them yet...still wondering if the Hankook would actually be a better choice for my driving.

I know the Toyo ATII is super popular, but they just don't impress me. The tread blocks actually have less voids and channels than other tires. They are great tires, no doubt. But I just think there are better options on the market. Again, just one guy's opinion.

totally, and I appreciate your opinion. However, I read a few reviews on the hankooks and apparently the noise gets worse and traction significantly deteriorates after 20k.

I'll look into the coopers, but I'm leaning toward the toyos in the LT-E version. I think the tread on the P rated toyos is too mild, so i'm pretty set on LT if I get these. Are there any downsides to having an E rated tire? (first time I'm buying A/T's. I've been running Michellin LTX on my truck forever)

 

[stanleybb50]

totally, and I appreciate your opinion. However, I read a few reviews on the hankooks and apparently the noise gets worse and traction significantly deteriorates after 20k.

I'll look into the coopers, but I'm leaning toward the toyos in the LT-E version. I think the tread on the P rated toyos is too mild, so i'm pretty set on LT if I get these. Are there any downsides to having an E rated tire? (first time I'm buying A/T's. I've been running Michellin LTX on my truck forever)

For the record, the tread is the same design on the P's, just not as "deep" is all. To say they are too mild would basically be calling the E's too mild as well. It's the sidewall that is most significantly different.

 

[BrianSD_42]

Great job on the retrofit man !

Looks like you were able to get your alignment down even better than I did, albiet a bit low.

 

[zopperman]

For the record, the tread is the same design on the P's, just not as "deep" is all. To say they are too mild would basically be calling the E's too mild as well. It's the sidewall that is most significantly different.

Yeah, I like the more aggressive sidewall tread and deeper grooves.

 

[WXman]

For the record, the tread is the same design on the P's, just not as "deep" is all. To say they are too mild would basically be calling the E's too mild as well. It's the sidewall that is most significantly different.

Actually with the Toyo I don't think that's true. There are three versions of that tire. The P metric versions are mild for SUVs and crossovers. Then you have the LT versions which have deeper tread and more void between tread blocks for fullsize pickup trucks. Then you have what they call the "xtreme" version of the tire which has even deeper blocks and even bigger voids for the offroad Jeeps and rigs.

The LT version should significantly out-perform the P version in the mud. So I would definitely go that way on a 4Runner. In this case, at only 49 lbs. I don't think the LT "E" version will be a bad choice. It will feel a little more firm and a little more like a truck but it won't ride rough or beat you up. I'd run them at 30 psi max and you'll be happy.

 

[JB.]

I think the tread on the P rated toyos is too mild, so i'm pretty set on LT if I get these. Are there any downsides to having an E rated tire?

Sure. Most attributes don't come without tradeoffs.

Compared to P rated: Stopping distance increases while acceleration and mpg decrease. Wet traction decreases (non-hydroplane). Suspension damping decreases. Ride harshness increases. Tire load capacity, while still above the minimum required for the vehicle, decreases 18% if air pressure doesn't change from door sticker. Speed capability decreases.

None of that means you shouldn't get them if you want them......but since you asked.

 

[stanleybb50]

Yeah, I like the more aggressive sidewall tread and deeper grooves.

Actually with the Toyo I don't think that's true. There are three versions of that tire. The P metric versions are mild for SUVs and crossovers. Then you have the LT versions which have deeper tread and more void between tread blocks for fullsize pickup trucks. Then you have what they call the "xtreme" version of the tire which has even deeper blocks and even bigger voids for the offroad Jeeps and rigs.

The LT version should significantly out-perform the P version in the mud. So I would definitely go that way on a 4Runner. In this case, at only 49 lbs. I don't think the LT "E" version will be a bad choice. It will feel a little more firm and a little more like a truck but it won't ride rough or beat you up. I'd run them at 30 psi max and you'll be happy.

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[stanleybb50]

Sure. Most attributes don't come without tradeoffs.

Compared to P rated: Stopping distance increases while acceleration and mpg decrease. Wet traction decreases (non-hydroplane). Suspension damping decreases. Ride harshness increases. Tire load capacity, while still above the minimum required for the vehicle, decreases 18% if air pressure doesn't change from door sticker. Speed capability decreases.

None of that means you shouldn't get them if you want them......but since you asked.

And ^^^what he said.

 

[zopperman]

Actually with the Toyo I don't think that's true. There are three versions of that tire. The P metric versions are mild for SUVs and crossovers. Then you have the LT versions which have deeper tread and more void between tread blocks for fullsize pickup trucks. Then you have what they call the "xtreme" version of the tire which has even deeper blocks and even bigger voids for the offroad Jeeps and rigs.

The LT version should significantly out-perform the P version in the mud. So I would definitely go that way on a 4Runner. In this case, at only 49 lbs. I don't think the LT "E" version will be a bad choice. It will feel a little more firm and a little more like a truck but it won't ride rough or beat you up. I'd run them at 30 psi max and you'll be happy.

Sure. Most attributes don't come without tradeoffs.

Compared to P rated: Stopping distance increases while acceleration and mpg decrease. Wet traction decreases (non-hydroplane). Suspension damping decreases. Ride harshness increases. Tire load capacity, while still above the minimum required for the vehicle, decreases 18% if air pressure doesn't change from door sticker. Speed capability decreases.

None of that means you shouldn't get them if you want them......but since you asked.

Seems that you and [MENTION=92501]WXman[/MENTION] have different opinions.

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Yeah, I saw this, I like the more aggressive sidewall but not sure if it's worth the tradeoffs JB mentioned

 

[JB.]

I don't see any disagreement there.

 

[WXman]

I'm not sure I agree with all those points. Deeper tread allows more room for water and increases wet traction. Having more tread will use slightly more fuel...but only for the first 2/32 of tread wear. Then it becomes even with the P tire. Some people think the more square and tougher sidewall of the LT tire has less rolling resistance therefore better MPGs on the highway. And of course, the deeper tread is better in snow and mud which is why we drive SUVs and not cars.

 

[stanleybb50]

I guess I'm of the camp that unless you really want the stability of an LT for towing or the puncture resistance for more serious off road (both valid reasons I admit) then P are the way to go. These aren't F250's.

I will say that the P rated Toyos do great towing my 21' 4200 lb trailer with the Equal-i-zer hitch.

But those darn sidewalls do look nice! And the deeper tread would be nice! But the trade off's mentioned by JB are why I went with the P's and am happy with the choice. The do look better in person than they photograph..

Haha - with all that said, after seeing [MENTION=72341]NJshadow93[/MENTION] with his Duratracs and the same rims, I'll be tempted to go with those next time! And those only come in LT and up I believe. (But then ill officially be copying his ride in almost every aspect! Lol)

 

[zopperman]

I guess I'm of the camp that unless you really want the stability of an LT for towing or the puncture resistance for more serious off road (both valid reasons I admit) then P are the way to go. These aren't F250's.

I will say that the P rated Toyos do great towing my 21' 4200 lb trailer with the Equal-i-zer hitch.

But those darn sidewalls do look nice! And the deeper tread would be nice! But the trade off's mentioned by JB are why I went with the P's and am happy with the choice. The do look better in person than they photograph..

Haha - with all that said, after seeing [MENTION=72341]NJshadow93[/MENTION] with his Duratracs and the same rims, I'll be tempted to go with those next time! And those only come in LT and up I believe. (But then ill officially be copying his ride in almost every aspect! Lol)

well i got a CL hit on a set in my home county (where my parents still live). the guy is asking 700, if I can get him down a bit I'll probably do it for the P rated 265/70.

Stanley, I'm taking your word that the P rated ones loo more aggressive in person :becky:

 

[stanleybb50]

well i got a CL hit on a set in my home county (where my parents still live). the guy is asking 700, if I can get him down a bit I'll probably do it for the P rated 265/70.

Stanley, I'm taking your word that the P rated ones loo more aggressive in person :becky:

Oh boy! Lol. I hope they don't disappoint!!

 

[zopperman]

Oh boy! Lol. I hope they don't disappoint!!

Guy never got back to me. I think I'm actually going to wind up going with duratracs :behindsofa:

 

[blkexp98]

Can anyone comment on the sound vs cross terrains, BFG AT KO's or the BFG Rugged Terrains if possible? I am trying to narrow down some tires between the Toyo open country A/T II's, BFG rugged terrain and probably the Michelin LTX M/S2. How is the wet weather performance in heavy and light rain as well as hydroplaning?

The local dealer has them for $200 each mounted and before tax. Is that roughly the mounted price yall have found?

 

[stanleybb50]

Guy never got back to me. I think I'm actually going to wind up going with duratracs :behindsofa:

Good choice! I might go with those next time! They're an LT, but lighter weight - (that's what I saw in my research at least) and of course they look awesome!

Too bad it'll probably be another 4-5 years before I get new tires though!