Tundra related....HOLY HELL

[Casper]

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/25/video-fords-silver-creek-truck-torture-test-track/

A bit biased im sure but certainly pretty enlightening

 

[Thai]

I can't see the video, but i guess that it shows the one potential weakness of the Tundra...it's C-frame. Hmmm, i am getting pretty good with my predictions these days! Toyota should have known that Tundra's competitors are going to counter Toyota's boasts by finding it's weakness. Every truck has weaknesses. But, the frame should never be a weakness on a work/tow truck IMHO. What was Toyota thinking?!! C-frame on a brand new design?!! Did Toyota not think that their competition will not advertise this one major weakness????

 

[Casper]

tis the rear c frame section on the tundra they show...


Thai,

should be a pretty easy video to watch, its linked in from youtube

 

[Koz]

Here we go again. The rear section (Frame) of the Tundra was designed to move around (sort of become part of the suspension) to keep the cab more stable. Also this test was done with empty beds. This test is fog and mirrors and doesn't prove anything. In the real world the Tundra is kicking ass and not even bothering to take names. Read the comments from some of the SoAfrica posters and they tell about how well Fords hold up in real world bad roads with a LOAD!

Koz

 

[Casper]

KOZ,

while i can certainly understand what you are saying, just seeing that for most "typical" truck buyers is going to change a few minds.

 

[blk05runner]

KOZ,

while i can certainly understand what you are saying, just seeing that for most "typical" truck buyers is going to change a few minds.

I agree, after seeing that I wouldn't even think of the Tundra. All beds were made to move and give but not to a point that it makes it impossible to drive.
Toyota might want to think it over and fix this problem. other then that I love the new Tundra but will wait a year or 2. Still having fun with my Runner

 

[Thai]

KOZ,

while i can certainly understand what you are saying, just seeing that for most "typical" truck buyers is going to change a few minds.

Koz is just a fanatical Toyota fan. He's like that Iraq guy: "There is no problem with the Tundra. There never has been a quality problem with the Tundra. The American infidel is no match for us!":infidel:

C-frame = cost cutting. Nothing more needs to be said.

 

[Thai]

In the real world the Tundra is kicking ass and not even bothering to take names.

Read the comments from some of the SoAfrica posters and they tell about how well Fords hold up in real world bad roads with a LOAD!

Koz

I would bet that Toyota is indeed taking names because they are on the defensive these days...crash test shortfall, engine KABOOM, and (as predicted by me many moons ago) frame not up to the competition. Hell, their rebates and discounts are surpassing even the Americans!! And my local dealer has a ton of them in stock...they are not certainly moving them very fast locally (TEXAS).

BTW, have you seen many of the new Tundras in South Africa before making that comment above?? I don't need to go that far overseas to find out that the frame on the Tundra AND Tacoma needs some rethinking!!

 

[Jacobzky]

But who would be really driving their truck on such road conditions on a daily basis? and drivers do slow down when the road is rough.

 

[blk05runner]

But who would be really driving their truck on such road conditions on a daily basis? and drivers do slow down when the road is rough.

that may be true but then why buy a truck. There are many reasons as to why people go out and buy a SUV or Trucks. If you cannot use it for what it was made for then whats the point. Not trying to hate but that is a fact you think?

 

[dingo]

I am one who just enjoys looking at the underside of vehicles. It's like art work under there. Speaking of the new Tundra frame...

 

[Koz]

KOZ,

while i can certainly understand what you are saying, just seeing that for most "typical" truck buyers is going to change a few minds.

That

 

[Thai]

But who would be really driving their truck on such road conditions on a daily basis? and drivers do slow down when the road is rough.

But then you would expect that a brand spanking new ("breakthrough") design would surpass the competition (old and new) under all conditions. Isn't that the point of a breakthrough design??

 

[Road Warrior]

I don't know a whole lot about trucks, although I owned a 95 XLT 2WD extended cab with 240,000 miles (nice truck, I only put like .....40,000 on it) and an older Toyota 4X4.

If you want to get the non commercialized view of trucks and whether or not they're rugged or cost alot to maintain, talk to private snow removal contractors!

I was chatting with one this past winter that was lamenting over the fact that not only were, in his estimation, maintanence costs higher with a Ford/GM as they aged and racked up miles, but they sucked way more gas "under load" conditions. Not sure if it's true, but he was pretty adament about it...

 

[Koz]

I would bet that Toyota is indeed taking names because they are on the defensive these days...crash test shortfall, engine KABOOM, and (as predicted by me many moons ago) frame not up to the competition. Hell, their rebates and discounts are surpassing even the Americans!! And my local dealer has a ton of them in stock...they are not certainly moving them very fast locally (TEXAS).

BTW, have you seen many of the new Tundras in South Africa before making that comment above?? I don't need to go that far overseas to find out that the frame on the Tundra AND Tacoma needs some rethinking!!

Even with the new vehicle set-backs the Tundra is kicking ass. Toyota knows that they have to get the Tundra out there and the owners will help sell more vehicles. This is why there are the incentives. Go on RV.com and read the comments from new owners; they love them and most of them have had domestics prior. There are still the old school diehard fanboys (like you) that will need some more time to see that it truly is a superior truck in almost all aspects.

Koz

 

[Thai]

There are still the old school diehard fanboys (like you) that will need some more time to see that it truly is a superior truck in almost all aspects.

Koz

What makes you think that i am a fanboy of anything?? I have never owned an American truck. I certainly have owned more Toyota vehicles than anything else. I probably own more Toyotas within the past 4 years than most people on here!

I really wonder who is the fanboy here....

 

[Koz]

I don't know a whole lot about trucks, although I owned a 95 XLT 2WD extended cab with 240,000 miles (nice truck, I only put like .....40,000 on it) and an older Toyota 4X4.

If you want to get the non commercialized view of trucks and whether or not they're rugged or cost alot to maintain, talk to private snow removal contractors!

I was chatting with one this past winter that was lamenting over the fact that not only were, in his estimation, maintanence costs higher with a Ford/GM as they aged and racked up miles, but they sucked way more gas "under load" conditions. Not sure if it's true, but he was pretty adament about it...

In our Maintenance dept we have a small fleet (Ford, Chevy, Dodge) of 1/2 ton pick-ups used plow snow and get to some of our small offices to do maintenance (about 6 or 8) depending on how many are getting repaired. These are fairly new vehicles that never exceed 40K miles before being replaced. They all take turns breaking down, with Dodges taking first place. After having to depend on these vehicles for 20 years I can tell you, I would never buy a domestic 1/2 ton pick-up, NEVER! I wish we could get Toyotas but we can't.

Koz

 

[Koz]

What makes you think that i am a fanboy of anything?? I have never owned an American truck. I certainly have owned more Toyota vehicles than anything else. I probably own more Toyotas within the past 4 years than most people on here!

I really wonder who is the fanboy here....

If you are not a fanboy, you should be.:biggrin2:

Koz

 

[Thai]

If you are not a fanboy, you should be.:biggrin2:

Koz

Oh well, i was hoping that you would back up your statements...disappointed again.

 

[Thai]

Finally, i get to see the video...damn work computer! Wow! So, Koz, you actually believe that the rear frame flexing like THAT is good in terms of durability???? You are telling me that THAT much flexing is OK??? You are telling me that you want your future 4runner frame to flex like THAT?!!:bash:

I love some of the comments in that link...putting a load in the bed will fix it! Geez, if the bed does not shake (due to load), then something else will. Oh my goodness, some people are just in denial!