Who's ready for President Trump!

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What gets me is everyone focuses on flints water, but never go beyond and try to figure out how it got that way in the first place. Yes, the lead pipes are a huge problem, but the already horrible water, mixed with lead pipes is horrible. I bet, some large company, sitting in some representatives pockets, is to blame for the water pollution. My 2 cents

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In my opinion it is unfortunate that more people didn't take the time to listen to what Ben Carson had to say. They saw a very calm, soft spoken man and figured that he is probably just a pushover and couldn't possibly do good for the country. I have read 3 of his books and I believe that he is sober and of sound mind and extremely logical. Yes, he has made some stupid mistakes such as his claims about the Egyptian pyramids, but that doesn't mean that he is actually stupid and incapable. Ben Carson does not provide easy solutions. According to Carson, we need to work, and suffer the pain of change. No POTUS can save us if We The People don't wake up. I think every person who is honest with themselves would realize that. To wake up means to stop being slaves to the very people who are destroying us. We The People need to put aside our passions or we will have the same fate as mighty ancient Rome. Unfortunately Carson has fallen to dead last in this race but there is a chance that he could be Trump's running mate and to me that is very good news. I hope that God opens my eyes if I am wrong about this and the eyes of my countrymen.
 
Ben Carson strikes me as one of finest men ever to grace America. Came from nothing, went to the top, worked hard, still modest. However, this is now a country where Jeb Bush took heat because he said people need to work harder.
 
I would without a doubt have supported Ben Carson as President, he was someone you'd want your children to look up to and respect.

So back to Trump, I've been thinking this the last couple days and then I actually heard it on the radio. We all seen the back to the future movies, doesn't Biff ( the rich Biff) resemble Trump in many ways I mean come on its perfect.
 
I would without a doubt have supported Ben Carson as President, he was someone you'd want your children to look up to and respect.

Except for the whole part where he tried to stab his cousin out of anger over dinner and thankfully the heavens parted and then he just stabbed the guys belt instead. :reddance:
 
No. Fire departments have been around a long time before socialism. There were fire departments during the revolution.
In fact Benjamin Franklin was involved
Fire Department

There's a long history of fire brigades in this country.
They used to be private, and they would compete with each other to put out fires first, so that they could be paid the insurance money for saving a building.
However, if your building didn't have insurance, it was hard to get any of the brigades to respond, because they knew there was no money for them.

(See wikipedia, history section third paragraph )

So the point is, the current model of Police protection and fire departments IS socialized. If you call 911, the will police come or the fire department comes and puts out your fire. They don't stand out front, waiting to see if you can pay before they decide to help you.

Unlike earlier times in America, where (according to wikipedia)

"In the early days of the fire service, fire departments were, more or less, social organizations in the community. And, being an accepted member meant a certain social status in the community. Remnants of that social status can still be found today in the traditional style firefighter's helmets that resemble top hats worn by the early firefighters. Monies that were used to help fund the organization were obtained by insurance company payouts from fighting fires. Firefighters could easily tell just who had fire insurance and who didn't by fire insurance marks located on the front of the home. Often it was a problem for homeowners who did not have insurance to have the fire department respond to a fire in their home and effectively remove belongings and such because the firefighters knew that there wouldn't be any money in it for them."
 
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No. Fire departments have been around a long time before socialism.

Yes. But at different times, in different societies, they have taken on different forms. There was a time in America in the big cities, where if you didn't have fire insurance, and weren't wealthy, the fire department wouldn't come to put out your fire.

In regards to your overused and misunderstood fire dept argument
Fire Departments are run by local entities, not the national government. This means each and every local entity can run their FD as they see fit. In the city in which I live, we have a volunteer FD. Other cities employ full time units.
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This is not socialism – at all.

Well, the local entities that pay to employ full time units definitely have a socialism aspect to it. They are using government to provide "collective ownership and distribution" of an economic resource. In this case, putting out fires. That IS an aspect of socialism. The all volunteer system is not... but to the extent that the local government pays for the trucks, hoses, fire house, etc, that aspect is also socialism in nature. It is the government utilizing the collective resources of the community it represents to provide services to those who need it.


A service run by the government (e.g. armed forces, fire departments, etc.) is not prima facie evidence that socialism exists within a country.

Well, actually it is evidence of a socialism aspect to our county. Our armed forces are paid for (in theory) by the people as a collective, and the protection is provided to all through the coordination of the government.

This is different than, for example, Feudal societies, where the Kings were beholden to the lords to raise an army, and provide for defense or to wage war.
That model wasn't socialist, because you didn't have a collective of the people providing a resource for common good though the means of a government.


the idea of firemen and policemen paid from tax money predates the concept of Democratic Socialism by thousands of years.
None-the-less, it it still a concept of Socialism, even if it existed before the word was invoked or the concept was more formally developed.

Members of a community collaborating and specializing to make their lives easier =/ Socialism, in any of it's disguises.

Well. It depends. If the government providing the money for these collaborations, and if the collaboration & specialization is intended to serve the people at large, then that IS socialism. Socialism is the idea of using government as a means of providing resources to provide a service to the people. Socialism = owned by the people collectively, and provided as a service to the people.

Something like a cooperative is much less socialist in nature. For example, if you choose to join an private HMO, that's not really socialist in nature. That's the example you site of a community collaborating and specializing to make their lives easier.

Medicare, on the other hand, IS socialist in nature. The Government provides the resources to provide a service to the people. Now, especially in America, the government tends to get it's "resources" by taxing people, goods, services, companies, etc. So I will grant that the Government is taking from people in order to organize a service or good and provide that to the people... which is socialism.

Countries like Qatar, on the other hand... have so much wealth from their oil and other resources, that they actually GIVE money to their citizens, rather than taxing them. Now whether you feel the government owning the oil is a tax in and of itself... I haven't thought about that. I'm

Well, to be fair, just because it came before 'socialism' doesn't mean it's not socialist. .

Agreed.
 
im just sayin (no offense) because i get my lawn cut and the white guys always eff it up.

Any sentence that contains, "just sayin" is not worth saying. Add in a, "no offense" and you just sound stupid.

I've only been allowed to vote for 2 presidential elections so far, and every time it has been choosing the lesser of the evils. I imagine it has always been this way to an extent, but it seems to be getting worse.

I think we'll be alright, friends.



....at least we can stop worrying about Obama coming to our door and taking our guns.... :flipoff:
 
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