6th gen 2017 4R, will it exist?

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hearno said:
66 posts in almost 2.5 years and 10% are about the "poopy" front end on the 5th gens. Way to contribute.
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Good thing Toyota does not listen to people like him. 4Runner sales are up thirty percent since they changed the front end.
 
Just you wait. :baby: Toyota has to polish the turd by offering Premiums and TRD packages to hide the stink.
 
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1engineer said:
Good thing Toyota does not listen to people like him. 4Runner sales are up thirty percent since they changed the front end.
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As someone that wasn't a fan of the new front end, sales numbers don't lie. I've softened on it after seeing a few mods to it. If mine died tomorrow, I'd get a new one.
 
Pssssshhhhh, the new front end is the bee's knees. Anyone who disagrees obviously doesn't know what they're talking about. This is now on the interwebz, so it's true.
 
RaginTxn84 said:
On that note - as was mentioned before, the 4Runner, Xterra and Wrangler are pretty much the only BOF true SUVs left on the market. As for that is concerned, I'm not worried about the 4Runner dying as we know it.

anyways - that's my grain of salt
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It should be of concern, 4r sales have dropped dramatically in the past decade while unibody models like the Highlander have continued to grow. Toyota is just like every other vehicle manufacturer, their in business to move metal, not be the last BOF standing.
 
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05Rrunner said:
Toyota is already under construction building the new plant to produce the Tacoma in Mexico.They lost all the manufacturing they had at the Fremont facility in Northern California and the Texas plant is expanding to build more tundras. The 4runner started out life using the pick up truck platform it only seems smart business to combine the two again and at the same time move production to North America and get that cheap labor in Mexico,and avoid any import taxes. it's a corporate win-win win.
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No Toyota is not building another plant in Mexico. Akio halted the idea due to quality concerns and further review.

http://www.autonews.com/article/201...co-expansion-to-review-growth-strategy-report

Also, Toyota has committed to BOF SUVs:

Toyota committed to body-on-frame SUVs - report
 
Mooney said:
It should be of concern, 4r sales have dropped dramatically in the past decade while unibody models like the Highlander have continued to grow. Toyota is just like every other vehicle manufacturer, their in business to move metal, not be the last BOF standing.
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The 4Runner is built in the Tahara plant alongside all the 150 Chassis vehicles (FJ Cruiser, LX460, Landcruiser Prado). I think they still make a butt-ton of Prados, so it's not like the line is a standalone only making 50k of 4Runners a year.

I think the Tacoma is going to get a 3.5L DI engine, not sure what the future is of the 1GR-FE.
 
JeremyB said:
The 4Runner is built in the Tahara plant alongside all the 150 Chassis vehicles (FJ Cruiser, LX460, Landcruiser Prado). I think they still make a butt-ton of Prados, so it's not like the line is a standalone only making 50k of 4Runners a year.

I think the Tacoma is going to get a 3.5L DI engine, not sure what the future is of the 1GR-FE.
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Worldwide BMW produces and sells more diesel motor cars than gas. Yet in the US they made them available in 2009 then discontinued American distribution in 2011. Until 2013 there were no BMW diesels in the States until the reintroduction of the smaller 3 series. Just because a vehicle is produced, doesn't mean it sells in the US.

Toyota produces and sells a butt-ton of diesel trucks all over the world, but not in America. Again . . . don't assume because a factory manufacturers a truck in Japan that we'll have access. When you look at percentage of Toyota's sales in the States . . . 4Runner's aren't their high mark. We just watched the FJ line get pulled, yet word is it will still be made available outside of the US.

T4R.org brings together a passionate crowd but were limited in total numbers, if the ROI isn't attractive no doubt they'll focus on more profitable lines.
 
Mooney said:
Worldwide BMW produces and sells more diesel motor cars than gas. Yet in the US they made them available in 2009 then discontinued American distribution in 2011. Until 2013 there were no BMW diesels in the States until the reintroduction of the smaller 3 series. Just because a vehicle is produced, doesn't mean it sells in the US.

Toyota produces and sells a butt-ton of diesel trucks all over the world, but not in America. Again . . . don't assume because a factory manufacturers a truck in Japan that we'll have access. When you look at percentage of Toyota's sales in the States . . . 4Runner's aren't their high mark. We just watched the FJ line get pulled, yet word is it will still be made available outside of the US.

T4R.org brings together a passionate crowd but were limited in total numbers, if the ROI isn't attractive no doubt they'll focus on more profitable lines.
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Where did you get "diesel" from [MENTION=78273]Jeremy556[/MENTION]'s post? "DI" means "Direct Injection."
Gasoline direct injection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Mooney said:
Toyota produces and sells a butt-ton of diesel trucks all over the world, but not in America. Again . . . don't assume because a factory manufacturers a truck in Japan that we'll have access. When you look at percentage of Toyota's sales in the States . . . 4Runner's aren't their high mark. We just watched the FJ line get pulled, yet word is it will still be made available outside of the US.
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If you want to know why Toyota doesn't sell diesels in North America the answer is in Detroit. Google "chicken tax".
 
Mooney said:
Toyota produces and sells a butt-ton of diesel trucks all over the world, but not in America. Again . . . don't assume because a factory manufacturers a truck in Japan that we'll have access. When you look at percentage of Toyota's sales in the States . . . 4Runner's aren't their high mark. We just watched the FJ line get pulled, yet word is it will still be made available outside of the US.
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My point is the 4Runner line is shared among other products, thus lower production numbers for the 4Runner can still be acceptable since you already have massive fix costs related to the factory whether you produce 1,000 or 10,000 4Runners. Obviously there is a point at which it makes more sense to drop the 4Runner, but having a large line with excess capacity can make the 4Runner an acceptable proposition.
 
JeremyB said:
My point is the 4Runner line is shared among other products, thus lower production numbers for the 4Runner can still be acceptable since you already have massive fix costs related to the factory whether you produce 1,000 or 10,000 4Runners. Obviously there is a point at which it makes more sense to drop the 4Runner, but having a large line with excess capacity can make the 4Runner an acceptable proposition.
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Don't get me wrong, I really hope your right and I'm wrong, however your looking purely from the assembly view. You have to consider the marketing dollars (co-op plans), lot space (especially with smaller dealers), training (sales,parts, mechanics), flooring etc. . . . that each vehicle commands.

If you had the facilities to make 8 flavors of beer, 7 of them sell great while number 8 just isn't pumping your engine on all 8 cylinders . . . change is in the air. Even though each shares many of the same ingredients you want them them all pulling their weight. . . capitalistic reality.

Toyota pulled ahead of GM last year selling 10 million vehicles . . . don't mean to sound pessimistic but our 4R's weren't the lion share. Yes numbers have certainly increased over the past couple years, but far from the benchmarks of the last decade. Now we here Jeep will end BOF production in '17 . . . leaving that market with just a couple of choices. While we'd all like to hope Toyota would corner the market and wave a 4R checkered flag, reality is consumer expectations are becoming more demanding. Look at 1E's future build thread . . . even many of our folk want smaller engines, more gears, lighter weight and all the stock gadgets found in the 7 series BMW. For anyone outside of this forum it screams unibody.
[MENTION=45500]crackiswack[/MENTION] has said a number of times, most 4r owners are mall runners. I'd like to think he's wrong, however I get a lot of attention with mine because its one of the few around my area not stock and has dirt on the back window.

Again . . . hope I'm wrong, and also hope dropping fuel prices renew interest in the 4R with the general public. However as 1E mentioned, years of planning and testing go into future models, only Toyota know when/if the 4R plug will be pulled.
 
Mooney said:
Don't get me wrong, I really hope your right and I'm wrong, however your looking purely from the assembly view. You have to consider the marketing dollars (co-op plans), lot space (especially with smaller dealers), training (sales,parts, mechanics), flooring etc. . . . that each vehicle commands.

If you had the facilities to make 8 flavors of beer, 7 of them sell great while number 8 just isn't pumping your engine on all 8 cylinders . . . change is in the air. Even though each shares many of the same ingredients you want them them all pulling their weight. . . capitalistic reality.

Toyota pulled ahead of GM last year selling 10 million vehicles . . . don't mean to sound pessimistic but our 4R's weren't the lion share. Yes numbers have certainly increased over the past couple years, but far from the benchmarks of the last decade. Now we here Jeep will end BOF production in '17 . . . leaving that market with just a couple of choices. While we'd all like to hope Toyota would corner the market and wave a 4R checkered flag, reality is consumer expectations are becoming more demanding. Look at 1E's future build thread . . . even many of our folk want smaller engines, more gears, lighter weight and all the stock gadgets found in the 7 series BMW. For anyone outside of this forum it screams unibody.

[MENTION=45500]crackiswack[/MENTION] has said a number of times, most 4r owners are mall runners. I'd like to think he's wrong, however I get a lot of attention with mine because its one of the few around my area not stock and has dirt on the back window.

Again . . . hope I'm wrong, and also hope dropping fuel prices renew interest in the 4R with the general public. However as 1E mentioned, years of planning and testing go into future models, only Toyota know when/if the 4R plug will be pulled.
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I don't know how many it takes to turn a profit but I think you assume popular vehicles are produced in the hundreds of thousands each year and that is what it takes to make money with them. Here is a quick table and it may surprise you:

US 2014 YTD Units Sold:
Camaro - 79,669
Mustang - 73,124
Escalade - 17,201
Charger - 85,667
Pilot - 97,378
Impreza - 74,864
Tahoe - 86,467
4Runner - 68,762
Beetle - 26,912

Now, I picked these vehicles based on my unmeasurable "feelings" that these nameplates above are instantly recognizable as a Chevy, Ford, Honda, etc and are a core part of the brand. There are bigger sellers out there but I picked on brand recognition. Surprised?
 
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