Anyone running BFG 305x65R17 AT

[toku58]

Anyone running 305x65R17 BFG AT?
I'm interested in seeing how they look?
I'm getting the Bilstein 5100's set at 2.5"
Level 8 17x9 wheels 4.5" BS

I'm wondering if this will be enough to clear this size tires?
Or will I still need the BMC?

I could do different combinations with the Bilsteins:
-Toytec 2" coil spacers Bil's set at .85" =2.85"lift
-Toytec .25" top plate spacer (.25"-.5" lift) Bil's set at 2.5" =2.75"-3"lift

I will also be getting LR UCA's. & 1.5" spacers forthe rear.

LMK? What you guys think?

 

[1engineer]

Lift will only help tire clearance when the 4runner is sitting still.

 

[toku58]

Lift will only help tire clearance when the 4runner is sitting still.

LOL!!
Thank you captain obvious!

 

[Vinsil]

It's going to rub. 285's are a tight fit. I think 1engineer is trying to say....once you go off-road you will fit your limits. Cruise down the road, might work ok.

I rub on my Ram with my tire/wheel setup but I don't wheel it so whatever. I,m going the same amount of lift as you are with my 275's and know it will be close...:sorry:

 

[toku58]

It's going to rub. 285's are a tight fit. I think 1engineer is trying to say....once you go off-road you will fit your limits. Cruise down the road, might work ok.

I rub on my Ram with my tire/wheel setup but I don't wheel it so whatever. I,m going the same amount of lift as you are with my 275's and know it will be close...:sorry:

Yeah I know what he was getting at. The reason I was asking is that I see a lot of 285/70R17's on the lifted thread.
But I haven't seem 305/65R17 Which is a little wider tire but also a bit shorter.
(.16 smaller dis) I know not much.
I'm willing to do the BMC but I wanted to see what the tires looked like on a 4runner. (If they protrude beyond the fenders?)

My Tacoma the 285's only rubbed the fender plastics.

 

[Vinsil]

Width kills on these things. Most vehicles actually. Do it, post pics. I haven't seen many use that size tire really...usually a reason. It either is an odd ball size or just too much work to make it fit. I vote both.:jump:

 

[toku58]

This is sort of the stance I'm looking for but with 17" wheels.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_6qCH3sl5s&feature=youtu.be

I believe those are Toyo AT 305/55R20
.

 

[toku58]

Width kills on these things. Most vehicles actually. Do it, post pics. I haven't seen many use that size tire really...usually a reason. It either is an odd ball size or just too much work to make it fit. I vote both.:jump:

Not as "odd ball" as you might think.
I'm fairly comfortable working on this type of Suspensions. But I haven't done it for a few years.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2435980/2006-toyota-tacoma-double-cab-pickup-4d-5-ft/

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/lifting-your-truck-things-you-need-to-know.40469/

 

[Vinsil]

From your links it seems you are into the look more than function. Nothing wrong with that, go for it. I meant odd ball in a way that most don't use that size tire and did not imply you had no experience with lifting a truck...:wow:


But do your thing and report back for those wanting what your after.

And since we are showing our skills...here are a few of my prior builds, little different from you.

 

[1engineer]

LOL!!
Thank you captain obvious!

So why even mention a lift?

95% of the people who post here think a lift is going to help fit big ol tires.

 

[toku58]

So why even mention a lift?

95% of the people who post here think a lift is going to help fit big ol tires.

Well lift will help you have clearance. I'm not planning to do hardcore like "Vinsil" :hail: but light off roading, beach and stuff.
The size of the wheel opening is the maximum size a tire can be stuffed in the fender.
The many factors of wheel orientation and alignment adjustments will all affect if one set up rubs more than another.
These things are all expected. But the type of vehicle (4runner, Tacoma, jeep etc..) will lend itself to different set ups better than others.

I was just looking for people who are or may be running these? And actually have experience on 5th gen 4runners.

I have a 3rd gen 4runner but information on those are abundant and almost all aspects have been covered.

Just not so mich for these 5th gens.

I'm okay with a bit of rub if I have to do some wheel'n. But as a daily driver I would prefer not to rub, so lift does play a factor.

I was hoping to get some insight rather than sarcastic comments?
But I guess that's par for the course, when you're new to a forum.
People assume you're just a nob.

I guess I'll just figure it out.
Or hopefully someone with experience could chime in?

Have a good night!

 

[toku58]

From your links it seems you are into the look more than function. Nothing wrong with that, go for it. I meant odd ball in a way that most don't use that size tire and did not imply you had no experience with lifting a truck...:wow:


But do your thing and report back for those wanting what your after.

And since we are showing our skills...here are a few of my prior builds, little different from you.

Nice Toyota Land cruisers! Solid front axles! Much different from IFS. Simple easy to build, and Bullet Proof!
That's skills right there!
Hardcore snowing!
Thank you for sharing!

 

[Lindenwood]

Indeed, a lift will help when static. If you don't have any intentions of pushing a vehicle to its limits over big rocks and extremely rough terrain (i.e. where you'd have the suspension flexed AND be turning the wheels to lock), then a lift will help prevent rubbing during normal driving and light wheeling. Honestly, if they only rub once in a blue moon during more aggressive wheeling, you might not even care.

My 2nd TRDP came with silly dealer-installed 20x10" wheels with 4.5" backspacing wrapped in 33x12.5 MTs. After not-insignificant forward wheel well cutting, it rubbed slightly on the BM at full lock, but got worse with moderate turns over even mild offroad bumps. I never got around to having the caster moved all the way up to push the wheel forward, because I sold them for some 17x8 with 4" BS and 285s, which now don't rub at all. I did not actually measure the caster, but looking at the LCA cam bolts there seemed to be more room to go.

That said, your 17x9s with 4.5" backspacing should, if I am not mistaken, stick out only a half inch past my 17x8s with 4" BS. The tires are also indeed wider but, as you said, a hair shorter in height. Thus, realistically, you might be able to get away with it!

If you feel you like the way it will look (should look good!), and are ultimately still willing to do the work to make them fit, Id say go for it!

 

[toku58]

Indeed, a lift will help when static. If you don't have any intentions of pushing a vehicle to its limits over big rocks and extremely rough terrain (i.e. where you'd have the suspension flexed AND be turning the wheels to lock), then a lift will help prevent rubbing during normal driving and light wheeling. Honestly, if they only rub once in a blue moon during more aggressive wheeling, you might not even care.

My 2nd TRDP came with silly dealer-installed 20x10" wheels with 4.5" backspacing wrapped in 33x12.5 MTs. After not-insignificant forward wheel well cutting, it rubbed slightly on the BM at full lock, but got worse with moderate turns over even mild offroad bumps. I never got around to having the caster moved all the way up to push the wheel forward, because I sold them for some 17x8 with 4" BS and 285s, which now don't rub at all. I did not actually measure the caster, but looking at the LCA cam bolts there seemed to be more room to go.

That said, your 17x9s with 4.5" backspacing should, if I am not mistaken, stick out only a half inch past my 17x8s with 4" BS. The tires are also indeed wider but, as you said, a hair shorter in height. Thus, realistically, you might be able to get away with it!

If you feel you like the way it will look (should look good!), and are ultimately still willing to do the work to make them fit, Id say go for it!

Thanks Lindenwood! ( I believe that the difference would be 1" more outwards?) .5" for the wider rim, and .5" for the BS. (Not counting the tire width)
My runner will be 90% road and very mild offroading. Here on Oahu we don't have any places left for a good adventure.
I use the 4wd only at the beach or when hunting and it gets muddy. (But at my age I try and avoid hunting when it's raining.LOL!)
So I guess it would be mostly for looks. I'd like wider tires so they float better in sand. But the 285 should be O.K.
(I'm thinking that both because of their size difference would be approximately the same?)
But with these metric tires sizes and the difference in the way manufactures measure? There's a whole range of what is considered a 285 size tire.
So I would assume that a 305 in one brand is different from a 305 in other brands also. I know people who ran identical set ups on their rigs and got totally different results. (That's what makes these IFS tricky when trying to set them up) The LR UCA's will help in tweaking the set up so I would only have minimum cutting to do. (I'm hoping to be able to adjust it enough to avoid cutting the body mount)
My search hasn't come up with anyone who has done this combo. So I just might be the first to consider this exact set up for our year runners?

 

[LandCruiser]

I have the Toytec lift set to the highest level without damaging anything and 285 Firestone MTs will rub at full lock when in reverse (this seems to be a fluke because they are a bit larger than other tires of the same size).

Honestly the 5th gen has made me utterly hate lifting, the main reason I used to do so in the past was that off road tires were only available in yuge sizes--that has changed and I need to realize that.

Everything you do the 5th gen 4Runner seems to require calibration, cutting, alignment trickery, zero point calibration that sounds like something you do to a trans-dimensional spaceship. Part of that seems to be the fault of the KDSS, but non-KDSS people have also had problems. To be honest the TRDP addresses the crappy softy OEM suspension and gives it the minor lift that it needed--for most people that is the beginning and end, and what I should have done.

I had initially planned to sell rather than fix my 80 series, but the ridiculous ease a live axle truck with no electronic doo-dads can be lifted, aligned, and worked on--as well as wheeled has made me sink all my funds into repairs and improvements into the Land Cruiser and leave the 4Runner alone. I'm sick of seeing a Chanukah bush of lights because some wire got stretched, some sensor got wet, or I turned the wheel too far in one direction.

Add armor, consider a suspension upgrade like the TRDP, add more aggressive tires of the same size and be done with it.

Oh and [MENTION=140851]Vinsil[/MENTION], nice ride.

 

[Lindenwood]

Indeed, I imagine MTs, which seem to have squarer tread profiles, wiuld come closer to rubbing at the rear. It would definitely require at least max caster.

Thanks Lindenwood! ( I believe that the difference would be 1" more outwards?) .5" for the wider rim, and .5" for the BS. (Not counting the tire width)

But with these metric tires sizes and the difference in the way manufactures measure? There's a whole range of what is considered a 285 size tire.
So I would assume that a 305 in one brand is different from a 305 in other brands also. I know people who ran identical set ups on their rigs and got totally different results.

The LR UCA's will help in tweaking the set up so I would only have minimum cutting to do. (I'm hoping to be able to adjust it enough to avoid cutting the body mount)
My search hasn't come up with anyone who has done this combo. So I just might be the first to consider this exact set up for our year runners?

I was looking at your 9" wheels as sticking out another inch because of the width, but then being "tucked in" by half an inch due to the increased backspacing.

Also, be aware that adjustable LCAs are really designed to fix the caster limitations on lifted vehicles. However, the way our front suspension is designed, using them to increase castor will actually move the wheels more rearward than an unlifted setup with the same caster.

Finally, you might check out this link to a paper arguing for skinnier offroad tires. Somebody in the thread summed it up as:

Rock crawling: skinny
Water crossing: skinny
Snow or mud or sand where depth does not exeed axle height: skinny

snow or mud or sand where depth exeeds axle height: wide

Expeditions West: Tire Selection for Expedition Travel

Big picture: you might still be technically better off with the 285s. Of course, tire type will by far make the biggest difference. I just wanted to pass that link along so you might not feel so bad if you ended up "giving up" on the 305s for slightly taller and skinnier 285s. I might actually go with 255/80r17s next time around, depending on what us available in that size.

 

[Ron4RNevada]

Toyo Open Country LT 265/70-17 (E) Mud Terrains Work great on Nevada type playa sand - - No lift; no trim; no offset; no problem: