To all those who are saying that you would have tried to drive away and avoid those guys BEFORE defending yourself with deadly force might want to think twice. I am not so sure that would have been a good idea. All you would do is escalate and prolong the inevitable while still endangering yourself, your family and those around you. Either way, you are in a bad position and prolonging it is doing just that... prolonging the inevitable.
Yes, pulling a weapon and firing on those who are trying to do you harm may just be fatal to yourself or your family. Either way you and your family are in danger at the point where a swarm of angry bikers wish to do harm to you or your family.
Now before you slam me for suggesting to stop and stand your ground, imagine this:
We live in a world where thugs, criminals, gangsters, bad guys and all forms of evil doers are afraid to do harm to others because THEY fear for their lives. People will NOT stand for being bullied and people WILL defend themselves, their family and the weak with deadly force. People will not tolerate thievery, wrongful violence, or any form of criminal activity. Criminals fear the general public because everyone will do what they have to do in order to make sure they are safe. We don't have to be scared for the several very valuable minutes that it takes for the police to show up because they don't rely on the police. We stand up for ourselves and show criminals that if they wish to do harm to innocent people that they will be dealt with accordingly.
Now... the above is FAR from the world we live in. In fact, it is the exact opposite. Why? Most people are straight up chicken shit and are afraid to take the hard stand. Why can't we stop the thugs when they first start to do wrong? Why does it always have to turn into running and letting them know that we are afraid of them? They will ALWAYS win!
I wasn't there and I have never been in a situation where my family was in danger along with me. However, I would hope that I would have the guts to not drag out the inevitable and take my stand right away and not try to run away. If everyone took the immediate stand then criminals would think twice before they start shit with people.
sounds good. except that it's illegal in a lot of places to do so. when one decides to carry, one HAS to know the laws with respect to deadly force. i don't know ny's laws, so i don't carry there. but i do carry in nh. until recently, one was required to use all means to "escape" before resorting to using deadly force. that has changed; stand your ground is now in effect in nh, and applies wherever one has a legal right to be. so, in the ny biker case, even though dropping a few of them might have been the best course of action, if the "defendant" was required to try to escape first, he'd best make the attempt.
even so, stand your ground or not, had i been carrying, i'd have still tried to get my vehicle, and family, out of there. forget stopping. run a few more over, whatever. that might just determine how much those asshats are interested in pursuing it. run two or three over, and they keep coming? well, now you know.
and screw brandishing my handgun for intimidation. when it comes out, as soon as it's on target, it's going boom, and boom, and boom, until the perceived threat is over, or the magazine is empty. although i really like my custom II, it is limited to 7 (factory mag) or 8 (aftermarket) rounds per mag. a 9 mm with an 18 round (or higher) capacity would probably be better for such social work. one or two extra mags, and that's plenty. either you've defended yourself, or you're dead.
what good is a baseball bat in your trunk? are the punks going to let you waltz back, open it up, and grab it? no thanks.
wally
