For those that fear mounting a wide tire on a narrow wheel

[Jetboy]

Second point: You're saying if you want a LT rear all you need are longer shocks and springs? No upgraded links or panhard?

Third point: Unless you upgrade to a TC Long travel (wide track) front suspension, you'll max out functionality and travel with a decent monotube extended-travel coilover plus a new UCA.

You are saying that for less than $2k you can for all practical purposes max out the suspension capabilities of a 4Runner (Icon +3 rear springs and shocks, extended travel front coilovers of choice, uniball UCAs, longer brake lines and ABS wires and such). That anything else would be purely for looks. Interesting.


And finally, that's not how to use the word "literally".

I would even say LT rear is nearly worthless with the stock geometry. Having a tire physically touch the ground doesn't really do anything. If the front travel limitations are effectively transferring the weight to the two opposed tires anyway, I kinda doubt that LT rear will have much effect other than visual. I think the rear link geometry with stock mounting points is a limiting factor on weight transfer and balance whether your tire looks like it's close to the ground or not. I could be wrong, but it's my guess that this is the case.

 

[marshal]

This thread really went three pages?? :shrug:

go away princess Leia

Second point: You're saying if you want a LT rear all you need are longer shocks and springs? No upgraded links or panhard?

Third point: Unless you upgrade to a TC Long travel (wide track) front suspension, you'll max out functionality and travel with a decent monotube extended-travel coilover plus a new UCA.

You are saying that for less than $2k you can for all practical purposes max out the suspension capabilities of a 4Runner (Icon +3 rear springs and shocks, extended travel front coilovers of choice, uniball UCAs, longer brake lines and ABS wires and such). That anything else would be purely for looks. Interesting.


And finally, that's not how to use the word "literally".

where on earth did i say that if you want to LT rear all you have to do is change the shocks and springs? i seriously cannot find it in anything i wrote. i know i did in fact say that your stock travel suspension doesn't warrant the replacement of the stock links as you don't have enough travel to utilize anything with as spherical bearing joint in it. to add another point, the stock rear link geometry is garbage anyway. you'd be better off redesigning the entire rear link setup with proper outboard coil overs that have been frenched into the frame. to go even further, a LT front and rear suspension would be extremely chaotic to operate without front and rear off road oriented sway bars. those who have gone to that extent and wheel without sway bars are still not even fully utilizing what is available without them. the front and rear should work in concert with each other, not against each other - which is what you have done without torsion resistance.

but you answer your question, technically you don't need you replace the links for a LT rear at all if you understand geometry and how it works. your travel arc doesn't change because the links are not any longer (unless you lengthen them to return your wheelbase to stock dimensions from a lift). the only net gain you get from replacing your links at all is added strength, and added articulation from spherical bearings if you can even utilize them in the first place.

to your third point. yes - you will entirely max out the function of your front suspension with nothing more than a single shock. only when you increase the travel with a +2 or +3.5 wide track long travel suspension can you then, and only then actually utilize a bypass shock.

you don't even need uniball UCA's, BJ UCAs that have corrected castor are perfectly capable of utilizing the extra 1" of overall travel afforded by the extended travel coil overs.

and your final jab,

adverb

1. in the literal or strict sense: She failed to grasp the metaphor and interpreted the poem literally.
What does the word mean literally?

2. in a literal manner; word for word:
to translate literally.

3. actually; without exaggeration or inaccuracy:
The city was literally destroyed.

4. in effect; in substance; very nearly; virtually:
I literally died when she walked out on stage in that costume.

 

[Bevo]

 

[wfo9]

I would even say LT rear is nearly worthless with the stock geometry. Having a tire physically touch the ground doesn't really do anything. If the front travel limitations are effectively transferring the weight to the two opposed tires anyway, I kinda doubt that LT rear will have much effect other than visual. I think the rear link geometry with stock mounting points is a limiting factor on weight transfer and balance whether your tire looks like it's close to the ground or not. I could be wrong, but it's my guess that this is the case.

You guessed wrong :loco:. It makes a huge difference. It won't make a 5th gen the most amazing rig out there..., but probably one of the best bangs for the buck mods possible (cheaper than tires). Much room for improvement in the rear geometry (as always with a dual purpose rig...) Again, just opinion but at least based on actual first hand experience with the exact configuration being discussed vs pure speculation. ;-) Long travel up front would be fantastic, but the price of entry is high...

 

[Antman]

My opinion? I personally would run them all day long if I wanted.

rant on:
35 years ago if I owned a tire shop I would have had no problem mounting wide tires and narrow rims. I WAS one of those customers. I would just explain the manufacturer does not recommend it and you are on your own.

Today if I owned a tire shop I would NEVER mount a wide tire on narrow rim. Why? Because 35 years ago people accepted responsibility for their own actions. Now? We have a bunch of whiners (from my and current generation) who think nothing is ever their fault and sue people for fun and entertainment. Apparently the people from my generation who got picked last in gym class and were the prime target in dodge ball games decided that if they were going to be miserable in life they were going to make everyone else miserable too. Now we have one of the most F'd up societies America has ever had. Where else can you you sue someone for spilling hot coffee on yourself? Many people have a chip on their shoulder and think that it is ALWAYS someone else's fault. Never their own. And that kids is why you see all these butt hurt people making decisions. What's worse is we decided to elect some of them to congress and senate! Now we have CAFE, CARB and everything else because these people who....
(I had better stop now before I hurt some feelings)
rant off.

I want to sue marshal for making this thread.


It's on!:toilet:

 

[ECUDrummer]

But OP what if I WANT to run the Baja 1000 - not just any Baja 1000, but a special Baja 1000 that encounters many rocks that might break my links? I mean, all of those Chevys with 10" lift run them to handle the pavement, they MUST be doing something right...

What if LT isn't quite long enough? What if I need EXTRA long travel?

What if my name is Johnny?

 

[jrandom]

op2::lalala::banana:

 

[Engineer]

I just want to up my post count, participate in a potentially historic thread and yell at [MENTION=49845]marshall[/MENTION] for no reason. Also I understand I can run 285s on stock wheels but will it rub?

 

[-dustin]

You're the engineer here, shouldn't you be able to figure that out with a TI-85?

 

[BlackWorksInc]

You're the engineer here, shouldn't you be able to figure out out with a TI-85?

Engineer is ancient word for "he who cannot wrench" just ask [MENTION=66316]1engineer[/MENTION]!

 

[BlacknTan]

go away princess Leia

Awwww shucks, don't get your Disney licensed Frozen panties from Walmart in a bunch.... I honestly read your post thinking there might be something of value there.

Unfortunately, I was disappointed yet again! :hello:

 

[marshal]

Awwww shucks, don't get your Disney licensed Frozen panties from Walmart in a bunch.... I honestly read your post thinking there might be something of value there.

Unfortunately, I was disappointed yet again! :hello:

Good. Still hate you.

 

[Engineer]

You're the engineer here, shouldn't you be able to figure that out with a TI-85?

TI-89 or Bust:llama:

 

[-dustin]

TI-89 or Bust:llama:

Now you're just showing off.

 

[Runer4Life]

Stop it. Stop it right now. There is no reason why you can't, and the MFGs recommended wheel widths is simply that, a recommendation. The people that told you it's not safe are the same retards that also think wheel spacers are unsafe.


Buncha weirdos.

True... I rather see a wide tire on a narrow wheel than this bullshit! Why!

 

[ECUDrummer]

You're the engineer here, shouldn't you be able to figure that out with a TI-85?

Block Dude or GTFO.

 

[Jetboy]

Who's going to be the first to try out some crushlock wheels? 285s on 2" wheels? I like it.

 

[Bevo]

Who's going to be the first to try out some crushlock wheels? 285s on 2" wheels? I like it.

Now that's a narrow wheel!

 

[pauldavis]

That thing is straight up ready for the Rubicon! The nice thing is I'd you get stranded out in the wilderness in this rig a helicopter will find you no problem because all the reflective chrome. Very smart.

 

[Apex Overland]

Engineer is ancient word for "he who cannot wrench" just ask [MENTION=66316]1engineer[/MENTION]!

Hey now, easy with that...

A few of us know how to wrench... a little. :bowl:

The only thing that concerns me about mounting a wide tire on a skinnier wheel is how much more of my truck I've got to cut to fit 35's.