For those that fear mounting a wide tire on a narrow wheel

[jwkilgore]

where on earth did i say that if you want to LT rear all you have to do is change the shocks and springs? i seriously cannot find it in anything i wrote. i know i did in fact say that your stock travel suspension doesn't warrant the replacement of the stock links as you don't have enough travel to utilize anything with as spherical bearing joint in it.

but you answer your question, technically you don't need you replace the links for a LT rear at all if you understand geometry and how it works. your travel arc doesn't change because the links are not any longer (unless you lengthen them to return your wheelbase to stock dimensions from a lift). the only net gain you get from replacing your links at all is added strength, and added articulation from spherical bearings if you can even utilize them in the first place.

Ok, looks like I misunderstood. You said replacing the links with OE shocks and springs is pointless, which I completely agree with. But going with the assumption of bolt-only mods (no cutting things up, no welding on new link attachment points, no converting to a rear coilover... you can take it back to stock in the future if you want to sell), can you gain anything by replacing links with better aftermarket versions? Do you realistically gain anything by, say, installing a Metaltech Stage 4 rear (replace springs, shocks, & lower links) over a Stage 2 (only replace springs & shocks)? And gaining articulation would be "anything".

Actually, a little research and I answered it myself... the Metaltech lower links have an offset rear bushing, and some pics I found show this allows more articulation because it prevents the link from binding against the main axle tube.

So if you keep your OE shocks-springs you're wasting money with new links. If you go to long travel shocks+springs, replacing the lower links is a benefit.


Literally: "How the wrong definition of 'literally' sneaked into the dictionary"
It may be in the dictionary, but using "literally" to mean "virtually" is still literally wrong. :argue:

TI-89 or Bust:llama:

I'll see your wimpy TI and raise you a classic HP 48GX with 128k RAM. RPL or GTFO. :lalala:

 

[1engineer]

Ok, maybe I misunderstood. You said replacing the links with OE shocks and springs is pointless, which I completely agree with. But going with the assumption of bolt-only mods (no cutting things up, no welding on new link attachment points, no converting to a rear coilover... you can take it back to stock in the future if you want to sell), can you gain anything by replacing links with better aftermarket versions? Do you realistically gain anything by, say, installing a Metaltech Stage 4 rear (replace springs, shocks, & lower links) over a Stage 2 (only replace springs & shocks)? And gaining articulation would be "anything".

Actually, a little research and I answered it myself... the Metaltech lower links have an offset rear bushing, and some pics I found show this allows more articulation because it prevents the link from binding against the main axle tube.

So if you keep your OE shocks-springs you're wasting money with new links. If you go to long travel shocks+springs, replacing the lower links is a benefit.


Literally: "How the wrong definition of 'literally' sneaked into the dictionary"
It may be in the dictionary, but using "literally" to mean "virtually" is still literally wrong. :argue:

I'll see your wimpy TI and raise you a classic HP 48GX with 128k RAM. RPL or GTFO. :lalala:

TI 55 was my first calculator.

 

[weeeee]

I understand I can run 285s on stock wheels but will it rub?

I was bored enough to read through all the pages here, but I still haven't figured out the answer to the most important question posed here.

 

[ST1FLER]

SHUT DIS MUTHAFUGGA DOWN! KICK [MENTION=104049]marshal[/MENTION] IN THE D1CK!

 

[Engineer]

I'll see your wimpy TI and raise you a classic HP 48GX with 128k RAM. RPL or GTFO. :lalala:

RPL....if that's similar to Reverse Polish Notation you are just showing your age :yield:

We all know there are many different tools to get the job done, certainly some are more right then others but hey if you want to use a screwdriver as a hammer feel free :laugh:

 

[4RnR Grl]

SHUT DIS MUTHAFUGGA DOWN! KICK [MENTION=104049]marshal[/MENTION] IN THE D1CK!

I knew this would be a play place..... now... where's MY sammich?!?!?!?

 

[EEEliminator]

What does LT stand for? :roadkill:

 

[NZDZRT]

Lt?

What does LT stand for? :roadkill:

Lame Thread? Light Truck? Lawrence Taylor?

In this case it stands for Long Travel. Used in a sentence: It's a long travel to the Mall to show off my 2015 TE with ICON Stage 13, 35" Thornbirds, fake rimlocks, etc. It takes even longer when I need to stop a get the fresh bugsplatt off of my windshield. I just waxed this beotch!!!

NZDZRT

 

[jwkilgore]

RPL....if that's similar to Reverse Polish Notation you are just showing your age :yield:

We all know there are many different tools to get the job done, certainly some are more right then others but hey if you want to use a screwdriver as a hammer feel free :laugh:

It's "Reverse Polish - Lisp", which is a slightly modified version of RPN used only in some HP calculators. Much more efficient and faster than straight algebraic entry for complex equations. But these days I keep the old gray brick in a drawer and use Mathcad because it's much prettier than my handwriting. :hatsoff:

 

[marshal]

Ok, looks like I misunderstood. You said replacing the links with OE shocks and springs is pointless, which I completely agree with. But going with the assumption of bolt-only mods (no cutting things up, no welding on new link attachment points, no converting to a rear coilover... you can take it back to stock in the future if you want to sell), can you gain anything by replacing links with better aftermarket versions? Do you realistically gain anything by, say, installing a Metaltech Stage 4 rear (replace springs, shocks, & lower links) over a Stage 2 (only replace springs & shocks)? And gaining articulation would be "anything".

Actually, a little research and I answered it myself... the Metaltech lower links have an offset rear bushing, and some pics I found show this allows more articulation because it prevents the link from binding against the main axle tube.

So if you keep your OE shocks-springs you're wasting money with new links. If you go to long travel shocks+springs, replacing the lower links is a benefit.

Literally: "How the wrong definition of 'literally' sneaked into the dictionary"
It may be in the dictionary, but using "literally" to mean "virtually" is still literally wrong. :argue:

I'll see your wimpy TI and raise you a classic HP 48GX with 128k RAM. RPL or GTFO. :lalala:

pretty much, except the offset bushing doesnt prevent the joint from binding against the axle tube. the joint will max out on itself before it will contact anything else. the offset on the johnny joint allows a smooth transition when using the link as a slider from the joint itself to the actual link material.

the same thing applies with a track bar, you don't gain anything except the ability to recenter the axle after you lift. the roll center on these trucks is already so high that even johnny or heim jointed track bars won't help much.

and i guess we've thrown out the fact that word usage changes with word usage over time. I'm sure you wouldn't want to be caught dead smoking a fag these days.

I'll raise your wimpy hp 48GX with a modern day TI