interesting conversation re: Honda Pilot

rebelbowtie said:
Yes current chain driven CVT's, from my knowledge all Audi CVT's have been chain driven. Failures are less than earlier models but they still aren't too we're they should be. Maybe in the years to come and they perfect them in mass produced use but not right now.

I conducted lots of research on those Subaru's as I really wanted to purchase one. And I apologize for appearing to compare the driving experience of a 4Runner to a car. The Outback was a vehicle with a potent turbo charged engine and paddle shifters, sorry if I expected it to be sporty. Also back to back testing of an A4 multi tonic CVT compare to Tiptronic traditional automatic with same package and 2.0T the Tiptronic was far more responsive and fun to drive.
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You mean Honda automatics have been reliable?? Yeah, search Honda Accord automatic issues...scary! Probably worst than the worst CVT stuff! Things can happen. You're kinda just clumping everything together and come to a general conclusion without much facts backing it. Again, lets look at the current crop of CVTs and use the data available. On the Outback forum (2010+), there is NO trend whatsoever other than the CVT saving tons of gas and running smoothly. But, yeah CVT in the Subaru is still new. But, come on, Subaru has fabulous reliability and durability record...probably surpassing Toyota in the AWD department!

I am not sure what years you did research...but 2010+ 4th gen Outback comes with just two powertrain...H4 and H6...no turbo. AND, only the 4th gen Outback comes with CVT. So, again, i have no idea where you're coming from!

And no, why on earth would you expect the Outback to be sporty?? It is a wagon on high heels! The suspension is soft for comfort on-road and off. It is a 'tweener IMO. There are plenty other sporty Subaru...and you pick the Outback to be your sporty dream car?!! What research did you actually do??!! It is like one guy on another forum b!tching why the Sienna AWD can't go off-road!! :D Sorry, i knew exactly what the Outback was before even reaching the dealership!

And yeah, i am sure that AT is more sporty than CVT. But, the main reason for CVT is not for sporty behavior, right? You did your research, didn't you?? CVT, in the mass produced current crop of cars, is made for economical reasons. It saves gas. And surprisingly, it also responds quickly to the gas pedal. And compared to AT or MT, CVT saves a lot of gas!

I suggest that you do MORE research next time...or just ask me to help you. :D
 
rebelbowtie said:
I said it was still a good AWD system just slightly different the topic was that of CVT reliability though.
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Here is a fun fact for you since you're a big fan of Torsen diffs. Did you know that if you sunk either axle of your BOF 4runner in mud (or ice) and forgot to lock your center diff, then you're stuck 100%?? It would not happen in my Subaru. Sure, it is rare to sunk the whole axle and have zero traction, but hey, stranger things have happened....
 
when did i ever say it was my sporty dream car? i wanted a vehicle that got better fuel mileage than my 2500HD and was reliable and capable off road and carry around my wife and child safely. If it werent for the CVT then the Outback would have been that vehicle, however I decided to take a hit on the fuel economy and look for a traditional SUV and the 4Runner was the only one that offered body on frame 4x4 with good reliability and decent mileage even with a v8 to boot. Most other's v6's return similar mileage with half the power. i surveyed a broad spectrum of vehicles including 4Runner, Exlporer, VW Tiguan, Audi Q5, GX470, CR-V, Outback, Forester and whatever offerings GM had.
 
rebelbowtie said:
when did i ever say it was my sporty dream car? i wanted a vehicle that got better fuel mileage than my 2500HD and was reliable and capable off road and carry around my wife and child safely. If it werent for the CVT then the Outback would have been that vehicle, however I decided to take a hit on the fuel economy and look for a traditional SUV and the 4Runner was the only one that offered body on frame 4x4 with good reliability and decent mileage even with a v8 to boot. Most other's v6's return similar mileage with half the power. i surveyed a broad spectrum of vehicles including 4Runner, Exlporer, VW Tiguan, Audi Q5, GX470, CR-V, Outback, Forester and whatever offerings GM had.
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Why would you expect sporty out of an Outback? You know that it is basically a Legacy...Legacy is Accord/Camry...a wagon version of such...and then place on high heels?? And your research tells you that it is or was supposed to be sporty?

Why didn't you get Subaru Outback 3.6 (six cylinder with 5-speed AT)?? It would still get better fuel economy than your HD truck (and 4runner). And, no, there was NEVER a turbo option in the 4th gen Outback...NEVER. Again, you talk about CVT and Outback...well, ONLY the 4th gen Outback came with CVT option (in the 4-cyl models). CVT + Turbo engine = NEVER EXISTED in an Outback! BUT, if driving the CVT 4th gen Outback made you think that a turbo was underneath (when actually, it is just a NA 2.5 H4 SOHC engine), then that is a compliment! :D Subaru should be proud!

Ahhh, so, you have a 4th gen 4runner, no? You should be worrying about exhaust manifold cracking if you got an early 4th gen 4runner v8! You should worry about frame cracking resulting in motor mount failure! Yeah, these are rare...but, is it anymore common than CVT failure in a 4th gen Outback?? :D You should concentrate on your 4runner's potential failures than on CVT cars that you know little about.
 
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youre drinking the kool-aid and making asinine rebuttals by the minute now. this is where i bow out, come at me in a few years when your CVT is broke down or has to have expensive maintenance done on it and I will more than likely still be rolling pretty.


and so you will shut up, yes i was mistaken about the Outback i drove having a turbo. this was a couple years ago, it was a 2010 model i was looking at loaded to the gills comparable to my Audi. but i also wasnt just looking at brand new vehicles i was for awhile dead set on older Outbacks or Forester XT. I looked at so many cars your head would spin, i think its ok i slipped up on the 4 banger model being turbo'd
 
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rebelbowtie said:
youre drinking the kool-aid and making asinine rebuttals by the minute now. this is where i bow out, come at me in a few years when your CVT is broke down or has to have expensive maintenance done on it and I will more than likely still be rolling pretty.
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Ahhh, and you're not drinking the kool-aid? Your bias is as clear as mine. Here is a quiz...the 5th gen has additional frame support in the front...why do you think Toyota did that?

As for asinine rebuttals, i believe that my rebuttals are based on facts. What about yours? Show me a CVT Outback with a turbo engine. How about some ACTUAL failure stories of Subaru CVTs that has made you so scared of such on a Subaru?? I hate to say it...finding one will be as rare as the one i just posted about the 2011 4runner tranny failure.

Why didn't you get the Outback H6 (3.6)? Just admit it...your research was one-sided and bias. You're pissed because i exposed your lack of knowledge in such matters and your blatant bias.

BTW, i don't like Koolaid...i prefer water.
 
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rebelbowtie said:
this is where i bow out,

and so you will shut up, yes i was mistaken about the Outback i drove having a turbo. this was a couple years ago, it was a 2010 model i was looking at loaded to the gills comparable to my Audi. but i also wasnt just looking at brand new vehicles i was for awhile dead set on older Outbacks or Forester XT. I looked at so many cars your head would spin, i think its ok i slipped up on the 4 banger model being turbo'd
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BTW, if you're gonna bow out, then you should not edit your post to add content to answer my subsequent posts! That is just cheating! :D

Wow, what confusion you had when you were testing the Outback, no? You did not know what engine you were driving...you thought that it was a turbo? Nice research man. People like you make Google very sad....:bravo:
 
"Anything hardcore off-roading (emphasis added by 36bound) in a Subaru is a joke IMO. There is no point. Sick rig or not, it is still a car on high heels."

-Thai

Agreed on this point. But aside "hardcore off-road" and towing capacity, the Outback is at least as reliable and utilitarian as the 4Runner. I do not pretend that the Outback is anything more than what it is (a crossover); but it is one reliable, proven s.o.b.

A friend of mine is a master mechanic and has owned an import repair shop for over 30 years. He drives nothing but Subarus and says that if everyone drove a Subaru, he'd be out of business.
 
Interesting replies. I didn't expect this thread to generate so much interest.

The teacher said that she felt a big bump. Apparently she hit a rut or sinkhole in the pasture. It wasn't until the next day that she noticed the real damage.
 
Maybe it is the driver that needs to be replaced not the strut! :D I don't know...with that description, I am not sure if the Outback would be any better! Maybe she needs a tank??
 
My wife drives a 2006 Ford Freestyle 120k miles with a CVT. Interesting car. Super roomy. Seats 7 fairly comfortably. The CVT hasn't given us any issues (touch wood) some folks have had failures, sure. It's got a Volvo based haldex AWD system that's done ok so far. Problem is, the CVT is just an uninspiring drive. No low end torque. I love torque. :)

When I decided to get myself another vehicle (she still has the Ford). I was looking for a 'sporty wagon' test drove some BMW wagons and I'd call them sporty. Not a 'sports car' like the 300zx TT or Honda S2000 I used to drive but sporty.

The Subarus and Audi wagons the (Audi Allroad was a serious contender, they even make a rare V8 version) were in the running too. The 2006-2008 Outback XTs and H6 weren't tremendously better on MPGs according to postings. Forester XTs are cool but just not very roomy in the back seats. Audi and BMW were ruled out for lack of ground clearance (but they're not intended for backcountry) but sure do drive nice and get high highway MPGs. Some folks get scared of potential maintenance costs.

Ultimately my older 4th Gen gave me the interior space I wanted, the on road comfort I wanted, the reliability I wanted and MPG I could live with considering what it got (sweet, sweet torque - when I want it). And I like to go places with my 4Runner that I don't want to take her crossover and my GTI would never be able to go. And my tried and true wrangler couldn't take her, me, our 2year old boy and the dog + all the trimmings (tents, coolers, chairs, telescope, fishing gear, etc).

I have no idea why I wrote all this, but I think I, like most of us, are pretty bias-free deep down and given the chance would be happy to have one of everything. I know I would! :) I love cars! :D
 
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Correction: my 4Runner is awesome. You guys' 4Runners suck. Haha

Cars are like sex or beer. Even the worst I ever had was still pretty good. :beer::naughty:
 
I jumped a pilot rental car in a field... It didn't break for long enough for me to turn it in. I suspect that it was a hell of a bump she felt, although if she's anything like my wife, she was lucky to even notice she did it. Incidentally, all of the folks saying subarus don't break, mine was bought back by subaru after the motor was replaced under warranty 3 times. I think I got a bad one. My next Subaru, an STI, was freaking awesome and I had no problems with it. And I drove that STI like I hated it.
 
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Glenn_Law said:
It turns out that she has a Honda Pilot. When she drove across a flat, grassy pasture at someone's ranch at 60 MPH, one of the struts got ripped out. $850 to repair.
Glenn
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Late to the conversation, but I edited the OP to reflect what truly happened...
 
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