Kashoggio
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you go in to a Toyota store with a blower in your 4runner and tell them you head gasket is leaking, see how that goes for you
Magnuson Supercharger for 2010-Present & 2010-2014 FJ
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jordanrb81
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well if your AC fails you'll be fine. People talk about this stuff like if you put on a super charger and a wheel bearing fails you won't have coverage, that's simply not true. if you install an aftermarket part and that part screws up the engine then you shouldn't get coverage... seems pretty simple. but if your power window motor fails its still covered. Mag covers the system for 3 years, seems pretty safe to me.
Kashoggio
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correct it won’t kill the warranty on the suspension or window motors, but kiss the powertrain good bye.
Please read the warranty guidelines from Magnuson “The contract term shall be for 36 months/36,000 miles, whichever occurs first. The term of months shall be counted from the vehicle’s original in-service dates. In order to determine the in-service date for your vehicle, you may: request it from a new car dealer for your make of vehicle”
I think the kit is great and will prob get it myself but let’s not kid ourselves to say there is nothing to worry about.
2nd Chance
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I agree 100% as I love looking at watches but will never wear one.
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ToyoT4R
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I assume you're talking about the millennial generation. I disagree, these things go in cycles and there will always be a market for luxury items. Luxury cars are selling quite well now, even by very young people. Even if luxury watches are in a slump, wait a few years and they will sell again. In a world of digital iPhones and Apple Watches, a well crafted mechanical hand built timepiece is very special.
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We will see about that. I think wearable stuff is going a way of dinosaurs. Implanted technology is a new way to stay informed of time, weather, stock market and anything else you can think of (literally, MIT has a device that can "read your thoughts"). If anyone thinks this stuff is light years ahead they would be wrong - this stuff is already in use. On the other hand (no pun intended) luxury timepiece would be an impressive statement of bygone days as symbol of status and sophistication (possibly, think of it as Ferrari 250 GTO beautiful to some fans and just and old car to an average mortal)...
jordanrb81
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well if you're worried about that, don't modify your vehicle. I just don't really see the point in crying about a voided warranty when it's a self inflicted wound. Toyota takes responsibility for the way they set the car up from factory, as well they should, if you go and screw with it and it blows up, why should they assume liability for something you did, by choice no less. I am considering the supercharger myself, If I do it and something goes wrong that was directly caused by the choice I made, I'll own it and pay to fix it. again, seems pretty simple.
Jetboy
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It's only special to you. Luxury watches are over as a status symbol. If it brings you utility in some form - go for it. Only you can judge the value you find in them. But as a marketable item on a large scale - it's over. It's time has passed. You can go ahead and sell your cable box and your corded landline phone too. In a world of cell phones and smart watches, hand made mechanical watches are a horse and buggy when the automobile came out. I'm all for beautiful hand crafted products. But watches aren't one that's going to survive. Especially when it's often valued for status signalling to others - who no longer care or find any status value in it.
Luxury cars are a dying breed too. If you can't see that - you're not looking. Private car ownership as a whole is going away. It's just a matter of time before UBER self driving electric cars replace 99% of our transportation. There will be luxury models of UBER - but people won't own them.
WRT superchargers - yep, those are going away too. They can't compete with electric drive systems. But you can have fun with one now while they still exist! At least you'll get some real utility out of it.
Agreed...I talked to Magnuson about PT warranty claims if my 4Runner had issues and rolled in with their supercharger installed....they basically said "it's up to the dealer". They told me to go talk to my local dealer and ask.
Not very comforting.
I would think 90% of dealers would either use, or consider using the supercharger as a reason to deny a claim for some sort of motor/PT failure.
rayofsi
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when you mod the powertrain... you can kiss that warranty good bye.
that being said, i preordered a URD for mine, and i'm not expecting much from the dealer if i needed warranty..
Yep, as I'd presume...
Nice, can I ask why you went with URD instead of Magnuson?
For me in CA, I'd likely have to go with the CARB approved Maggie but am interested in your research and choice here. Thank you.
I appreciate it.
WFO9.....
Hey thanks for sharing your experience and "opinions".
I for one REALLY appreciate a non-sponsored "opinion".
I'm a big boy and can read the various threads and "opinions" and make up my OWN MIND. I'm really shocked that ANYONE here would advocate for "STFU if you aren't sponsored". Sponsored kinda equates to biased sometimes. Sounds like someone doesn't like to hear opinions they don't share....."Oh my ears!!!!"
So carry on trying to help for the sake of helping. If some twit can't make up their own mind and filter out the nonsense and decide stuff for them selves ....that's THEIR problem.
WFO9.....
Hey thanks for sharing your experience and "opinions".
I for one REALLY appreciate a non-sponsored "opinion".
I'm a big boy and can read the various threads and "opinions" and make up my OWN MIND. I'm really shocked that ANYONE here would advocate for "STFU if you aren't sponsored". Sponsored kinda equates to biased sometimes. Sounds like someone doesn't like to hear opinions they don't share....."Oh my ears!!!!"
So carry on trying to help for the sake of helping. If some twit can't make up their own mind and filter out the nonsense and decide stuff for them selves ....that's THEIR problem.
Havik
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https://www.urdusa.com/urd-whipple-supercharger-system-2010-2016-4runner-v6-stage-1/
Whipple is a much better blower than the root-type in the Magnuson. If you aren't in California and don't need CARB approval, this is the kit I would be looking at. It comes with fuel management, injectors, and a more efficient twin screw supercharger.
Zeusmotorworks
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I have to second this. Not from a bias, but a 1 of 1 comparison the choice should be easy. However, if some poor soul needs a CARB sticker, right now I believe the Magnuson is the only game in town.
wfo9
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No doubt the TS can make more power.. it's bigger... and more efficient for race applications... . I just question the piggyback and the overall reliability of a one off setup with a box in the middle. Plus for this application.. it seems a bit large. I hope the glitches are fixed and parts finally show up and they start becoming a thing people can see.
I also hope people don't think the mag setup is the same as the old TRD one for the FJ..The new TVS one is quite a bit better. Works pretty darn well. More power than I need. Still something a little quirky with first gear torque management... but I have no need to roast tires anyway. So far.. so good with no real issues to speak of. A good hot summer is needed to be 100% sure.. but so far seems well worth it to me.
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Havik
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Just to clarify, twin screws are more efficient... period. Not just for race applications or just for the drag strip. They are just more efficient. Across the board, they are the better designed supercharger. To say they are more efficient for race applications is cutting them short. They produce more boost per revolution, produce less heat per PSI of boost produced, and don't fall flat on their face in higher RPMs. All in all, they are the better blower.
I'm in California and plan to keep my 4Runner for a long while, hence I need a CARB approved supercharger. That's the only reason I chose the Magnuson over the whipple.
wfo9
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You misunderstood my comment. Yes, as I said a twin screw compressor is more efficient . Although the TVS is a big step forward over the old 60* rotor packs and the gap has narrowed quite a bit, there is still an inherit power advantage to a true compressor. Plus the URD unit is just bigger displacement with quite a bit more power potential (which the motor with stock internals could never handle). But at the same time, there is way more at play than just the compressor and power output potential (especially in this application).
If I'm buying a blower for a daily driver SUV trying to get a nice reliable bump in power..(~30-40%) I'm going to look at other things like overall complexity and how many units are out in the wild trouble free. Replacement parts availability, rebuild interval. How many OEM vehicles use the same basic unit.... If I'm buying a unit for racing... totally different mindset.
I love the idea that URD is releasing a Whipple TS kit. It's super cool and opens up interesting opportunities in the future for extreme builds . I just think it would be inaccurate to say it is better for most people. The idea of a piggyback is very spooky to me (it's either at the mercy of the factory quirks or in complete control and unable to use some of the refinements of the factory like knock managment...) . I like the idea of a bigger fuel pump and injectors, but I know from doing this on many vehicles that there are often big reliability problems as you move away from factory equipment. At the same time, I also question if the stock stuff can keep up. In summary, it is complicated and not black and white. Most of it depends on your use case.
As more time passes.. I think the picture will clear up. I try to stick with actual experience vs speculation, but I do tend to speculate myself as it is human nature and sort of fun.
If someone wants my honest first hand experience.. I'll be happy to give it. I hope the same will happen when someone actually installs the URD kit. There is still quite a few mysteries to solve about this engine and what it is capable of in a reliable fashion under varying conditions. I'm just glad we finally have some options to make it quite a bit more fun to drive.
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