Poll Time: Are You Still Happy with Obama?

[JohnnyT]

So, which option did you select? Be so kind as to share.

Top most option.

 

[LandCruiser]

It's Bush's fault... still... or global warming/climate change/whatever... or the economic crisis in Europe... or a youtube video... or because that pesky Bill of Rights doesn't let him govern as he wants... or white right wing racists... or those who don't want to pay their fair share... or those who dare criticize the competency of those in power... or those reporters who dare to go against the administration party line...

Obama is without blame. He is a young, brilliant, cool President. The man, despite never having a real job or ever releasing his college transcripts, is a genius. He is a poet warrior, always thinking about all the outcomes, never making hasty decisions. He is never divisive and his words flow like honey. If you don't agree with him you're a bigot.

But in reality, never has a President and aministration screwed up so much, lied (not misled) and gotten a free pass for it--in fact how dare anyone even suggest such things?

 

[BrianSD_42]

I agree..

If I posted what I want to, Id get BANNED, there is no freedom to speak (or type) your opinions on here.

you are wrong you would not get banned. You are new so you may not realize this.

I have never seen anyone banned and I've been floating around here nearly two years.

 

[BrianSD_42]

But in reality, never has a President and aministration screwed up so much, lied (not misled) and gotten a free pass for it--in fact how dare anyone even suggest such things?

This is vague nonsense. Why don't you (or anyone) list actual items that he has done wrong.

I listed several. Can you?

 

[Thai]

But in reality, never has a President and aministration screwed up so much, lied (not misled) and gotten a free pass for it--in fact how dare anyone even suggest such things?

Isn't his Presidency supposed to be the most transparent administration ever?

The words "transparency" and "Nobel Peace Prize" are now part of a running joke with this administration.

 

[Thai]

This is vague nonsense. Why don't you (or anyone) list actual items that he has done wrong.

I listed several. Can you?

I don't understand what you're getting at. What you listed is good from Googling perspective, but how are they anymore important than another topic? Why are you discrediting Benghazi, IRS, and AP spying? You mentioned that these are FOX news topics...but, aren't they everyone's topic (or should be)?? CNN, USA Today, Time Magazine, etc. are discussing it.

Are you somehow trying to show off your knowledge in the area or somehow trying to discredit other conservatives' POV? I don't understand your "anger" in this thread. If you want to show off, then i am not sure if this is the place to do it...maybe a Political Science forum?

 

[BrianSD_42]

The words "transparency" and "Nobel Peace Prize" are now part of a running joke with this administration.

This I agree with.


I didn't Google anything above. I wrote that out of my head from keeping up to date by reading every week since his presidency began.

My point was just the two issues you listed are not considered by liberals and independents to be a "big deal" so why don't you actually list some detailed things he has done wrong.

 

[Thai]

This I agree with.


I didn't Google anything above. I wrote that out of my head from keeping up to date by reading every week since his presidency began.

My point was just the two issues you listed are not considered by liberals and independents to be a "big deal" so why don't you actually list some detailed things he has done wrong.

This thread is open-ended. Notice that I use "etc". If you want to add more negatives, then be my guess...knock yourself out smartypants! Not sure what you're barking at. Did not know that this was a pissing contest.

Well, I am not sure how you came to the conclusion that the issues I listed are not important to some folks...are you some sort of political fortune teller? Could some of what you read be just as wrong or bias as FOX or CNN? Where is your political degree from? You sound impressive!

Every media outlet, both conservative and liberal, are talking about these issues.

BTW, have you looked at the poll results?

 

[RunninInGA]

Bottom line is this, which I stole (in part) from an online source:

"When it becomes clear that the government no longer trusts its constituents, the question arises: Should the people trust the government? The question isn't rhetorical. Government points to the US Constitution as the source of its authority. It is the same Constitution that the government troubles itself to pay lip service to.

Welcome to the age of never ending crisis (we're having at least one a month). Distractions are more frequent and elaborate than they have been at any other time in my memory. We are quickly approaching the time when it will be impossible to lie to ourselves any longer that we are a republic and that our government is more or less a new form of tyranny, grossly overreaching its powers."

 

[RunninInGA]

so why don't you actually list some detailed things he has done wrong.

How's this? Still relevant to today's headlines.

Attorney General Secretly Granted Gov. Ability to Develop and Store Dossiers on Innocent Americans | Threat Level | Wired.com

Obama Admin OK'd Government Ability to Develop and Store Dossiers on All Americans
In a secret government agreement granted without approval or debate from lawmakers, the U.S. attorney general recently gave the National Counterterrorism Center sweeping new powers to store dossiers on U.S. citizens, even if they are not suspected of a crime, according to a news report.

Earlier this year, Attorney General Eric Holder granted the center the ability to copy entire government databases holding information on flight records, casino-employee lists, the names of Americans hosting foreign-exchange students and other data, and to store it for up to five years, even without suspicion that someone in the database has committed a crime, according to the Wall Street Journal, which broke the story.

Whereas previously the law prohibited the center from storing data compilations on U.S. citizens unless they were suspected of terrorist activity or were relevant to an ongoing terrorism investigation, the new powers give the center the ability to not only collect and store vast databases of information but also to trawl through and analyze it for suspicious patterns of behavior in order to uncover activity that could launch an investigation.

The changes granted by Holder would also allow databases containing information about U.S. citizens to be shared with foreign governments for their own analysis.

A former senior White House official told the Journal that the new changes were “breathtaking in scope.”

But counterterrorism officials tried to downplay the move by telling the Journal that the changes come with strict guidelines about how the data can be used.

“The guidelines provide rigorous oversight to protect the information that we have, for authorized and narrow purposes,” Alexander Joel, Civil Liberties Protection Officer for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, told the paper.

The NCTC currently maintains the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment database, or TIDE, which holds data on more than 500,000 identities suspected of terror activity or terrorism links, including friends and families of suspects, and is the basis for the FBI’s terrorist watchlist.

Under the new rules issued in March, the NCTC can now obtain almost any other government database that it claims is “reasonably believed” to contain “terrorism information.” This could conceivably include collections of financial forms submitted by people seeking federally backed mortgages or even the health records of anyone who sought mental or physical treatment at government-run hospitals, such as Veterans Administration facilities, the paper notes.

The Obama administration’s new rules come after previous surveillance proposals were struck down during the Bush administration, following widespread condemnation.

In 2002, the Pentagon’s Total Information Awareness program proposed to scrutinize both government and private databases, but public outrage killed the program in essence, though not in spirit. Although Congress de-funded the program in 2003, the NSA continued to collect and sift through immense amounts of data about who Americans spoke with, where they traveled and how they spent their money.

The Federal Privacy Act prohibits government agencies from sharing data for any purpose other than the reason for which the data was initially collected, in order to prevent the creation of dossiers, but agencies can do an end-run around this restriction by posting a notice in the Federal Register, providing justification for the data request. Such notices are rarely seen or contested, however.

The changes to the rules for the NCTC were sought in large part after authorities failed to catch Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab before he boarded a plane on Christmas Day in 2009 with explosives sewn into his underwear. Abdulmutallab wasn’t on the FBI watchlist, but the NCTC had received tips about him, and yet failed to search other government databases to connect dots that might have helped prevent him from boarding the plane.

As the NCTC tried to remedy that situation for later suspects, legal obstacles emerged, the Journal reports, since the center was only allowed to query federal databases for a specific name or a specific passenger list. “They couldn’t look through the databases trolling for general ‘patterns,’” the paper notes.

But the request to expand the center’s powers led to a heated debate at the White House and the Department of Homeland Security, with Mary Ellen Callahan, then-chief privacy officer for the Department of Homeland Security, leading the charge to defend civil liberties. Callahan argued that the new rules represented a “sea change” and that every interaction a citizen would have with the government in the future would be ruled by the underlying question, is that person a terrorist?

Callahan lost her battle, however, and subsequently left her job, though it’s not known if her struggle over the NCTC debate played a role in her decision to leave.

 

[Kung]

I agree..

If I posted what I want to, Id get BANNED, there is no freedom to speak (or type) your opinions on here.

I see posts like this all the time on various bulletin boards. In almost every case, it's virtual insurance that said poster will NOT get banned, if for no other reason than the mods are curious what the guy is alluding to. LOL

 

[04rnr]

you are wrong you would not get banned. You are new so you may not realize this.

I have never seen anyone banned and I've been floating around here nearly two years.

YES, people have been banned here, just ask thai......

 

[Thai]

YES, people have been banned here, just ask thai......

Yup, I have been banned. People who I want banned never do though.

 

[BrianSD_42]

Actually Thai was just suspended because he is still here (or maybe banned and then reinstated)

My point is I challenge you to point out any instances of people who have a banned status..
Post the link. It is very rare and I have never seen it.

 

[Thai]

Actually Thai was just suspended because he is still here (or maybe banned and then reinstated)

My point is I challenge you to point out any instances of people who have a banned status..
Post the link. It is very rare and I have never seen it.

Don't mind him...04rnr is persistently angry... still hold a grudge because I anger him in a cell phone thread. He actually got reprimanded by the moderators (not me!) at some point I think.

 

[eddiebx]

Actually Thai was just suspended because he is still here (or maybe banned and then reinstated)

My point is I challenge you to point out any instances of people who have a banned status..
Post the link. It is very rare and I have never seen it.

There's different banning options in VBulletin, you can select a duration of time or an indefinite ban, it's really not all that hard to believe. The last person I can think of was some really annoying guy in the epic fail treklight led group buy thread, he was banned for like ~1 month because he told someone to go suck a cock or something lol.

 

[eddiebx]

Yup, I have been banned. People who I want banned never do though.

I didn't know you felt that way about me Thai? I thought we were buddies :grouphug:

 

[Thai]

I didn't know you felt that way about me Thai? I thought we were buddies :grouphug:

It takes more than you being totally wrong about KDSS to get on my naughty list!

 

[eddiebx]

It takes more than you being totally wrong about KDSS to get on my naughty list!

Did you have a change of heart and reopen this thread? Are you inviting me to debate it with you here again?! :jk::jk::jk:

In OT, I actually see it your way more often than not

 

[BrianSD_42]

There was (it is now gone) a spam post in this thread. I reported the post as spam and I assume a mod closed the whole thread by mistake. The thread is back open now.

About banning ... I just feel that T4R is very very very loose with the rules and that is fine by me.

It is very hard to get banned, or the site works in a way where banned people aren't listed as banned, they just disappear (this has also occurred to me)

But in general mods are nice guys and retaliation is very rare.
Other forums , many other ones have uptight mods and lots of rules. Rules rules rules, usually a bunch of tightwads who become mods just so they can enforce rules on people.

We are better here. Freedom of speech does have a good home on T4R. If you don't believe then I suggest visiting some other forums like YT or Pirate4x4 etc.