Repairing Super White (No Clear Coat)

[Jetboy]

Over the decades:

Any reputable body shop should have no problem spraying a single stage urethane.
- large truck body shops (heavy equipment), probably do it every day.

FWIW Toyota is specific about what paint and how to paint its cars at a factory certified shop. They also have specific rules about paint - for example if they paint the fender they cannot blend on the A-pillar or the roof line. So they will blend the door, and also paint the body back to the rear quarter panel and blend there. They did a good job matching color, orange peel, and sheen. They said that they have to send 2 paint techs to a Toyota training every year to learn all about their new rules for repairs on the new model changes.

Plastic bumpers aren't painted with the rest of the body at the factory anyway so they don't match perfectly anyway. For me keeping the fender in OEM paint was more of an issue than the bumper. White hides imperfections so well that it's hard to tell. That's why I bough it in white.

 

[bofa]

None of the other colors are single stage for the 4runner. I paint at a Toyota bodyshop.

Super white can be blended with base/clear and it should look perfectly fine if the painter is decent.

Some of the older toyota solid colours are single stage. Mainly solid colours like red/black/white

Can you confirm if Cement is single stage? It looks like it might be and I believe it was when used by Scion.

 

[philsey]

I used to paint cars as a job before I went to college.
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Cars were all black then, weren't they?

 

[bofa]

Cars were all black then, weren't they?

:bravo:

 

[1engineer]

Cars were all black then, weren't they?

Yeah but at least they weren't pulled by horses like when you were a teen...

 

[suprarztt]

Can you confirm if Cement is single stage? It looks like it might be and I believe it was when used by Scion.

I believe it is not a single stage if i remember correctly. It's also not a solid colour, its a metallic, just a bit harder to see.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

I ended up going to a toyota factory certified shop. They acknowledged that the couldn't match the factory paint. But they were able to fix the fender paintlessly. The bumper was painted with a normal base clear. It looks pretty damn close. It's the best I could do. They did a good job with the little stuff like new clips and hardware so it all fits tightly like new.

You need to find another paint shop my man.

Anybody that cannot match white, of all colors, sucks.

 

[philsey]

Yeah but at least they weren't pulled by horses like when you were a teen...

Like I said; "reliability" son, reliability. Oats, water, GTG.

 

[1engineer]

Like I said; "reliability" son, reliability. Oats, water, GTG.

Geez, thank God the internet was not around back then. It would be the same...
"What horseshoe is best?"
"What brand of oats do you use?"
"Thinking of getting new wheels for my buckboard. If i go with a metal band will it rub?"

Times change, people don't.

 

[JeremyB]

Super White is the only single stage color on the 4Runner.

Are most pure white paint jobs still single stage from OEMs? I thought they were.

 

[1engineer]

Are most pure white paint jobs still single stage from OEMs? I thought they were.

A lot (not all) of SOLID colors have no additional clear coat. However they do have a clear formulation mixed in with the color.

Some colors might look like a solid color but have tiny metallic particles in it. Truthfully there are very few purely solid colors anymore. Now, the formal black on the 4Runner has a clear coat. It has tiny metallic in it. Attitude black has much larger metallic particles and it is clear coated as well.

Other manufacturers do the same thing. The deal is though most manufacturers don't use solid colors much.

 

[Jetboy]

You need to find another paint shop my man.

Anybody that cannot match white, of all colors, sucks.

I think I wasn't clear. They matched the color pretty well. I actually didn't think so at first and they said it was due to the clear bra yellowing a bit. I said bull shit and pulled the clear bra off the fender right there in the parking lot... then ate some crow. It matched very closely once I peeled back the bra.

They can't use the same paint product as per the requirements of Toyota. It's not up to the body shop to choose paint products if they want to be a factory certified body shop. No plastic bumper on any car on any lot from Toyota matches perfectly. On a sunny day you can see the difference in color on all of them. The body is heated to temperatures that cannot be used with plastic parts. That's also why you can't ever repaint a body with the same exact paint formula used at the factory. You'd have to remove all the plastic parts to withstand the heat. I appreciate the honesty. When a body shop says it's the same as the factory, you know they're lying.

I've already scratched up the new bumper again in Moab.

 

[1engineer]

I think I wasn't clear. They matched the color pretty well. I actually didn't think so at first and they said it was due to the clear bra yellowing a bit. I said bull shit and pulled the clear bra off the fender right there in the parking lot... then ate some crow. It matched very closely once I peeled back the bra.

They can't use the same paint product as per the requirements of Toyota. It's not up to the body shop to choose paint products if they want to be a factory certified body shop. No plastic bumper on any car on any lot from Toyota matches perfectly. On a sunny day you can see the difference in color on all of them. The body is heated to temperatures that cannot be used with plastic parts. That's also why you can't ever repaint a body with the same exact paint formula used at the factory. You'd have to remove all the plastic parts to withstand the heat. I appreciate the honesty. When a body shop says it's the same as the factory, you know they're lying.

I've already scratched up the new bumper again in Moab.

Bumper covers don't match the body because of the flex agent they have to add to the paint for the flexible parts.

 

[catrains]

the paint at factory is heated to speed up the process . the paint matching is done to get the proper match on the orange peel effect . white is a simple color to match. also no need to use heat in a typical body shop unless it is a cold area. 70-80 deg f and 12 hrs will do the cure with paints used today. also new paint does take a few weeks to match perfectly the color does change very slightly with the UV hitting it..

 

[suprarztt]

There seems to be a lot of misconceptions here.

#1, Most of the time bumpers do not match from factory is because they are sprayed in a different facility. For example, they car might be painted in 1 state, and the bumpers are painted in a different state.

Manufacturers receive large volumes of paint at a time per facility. No 2 barrels are 100% the same, which is why they usually don't match.

#2 Another reason bumpers sometimes don't match after a collision repair is because bumpers are plastic, and it creates static. The static sometimes makes the metallics land differently.

However, most paint manufaturers have ways to remove static (some are wipes, some are blown etc)

Also, white is not simple to match. It's not too hard to get it close, but to get it next to perfect is not that easy.

For example, the toyota super white 040, my colour deck has over 20 variances of white, and thats before having the painter tint it .

Edit: I've personally have never seen flex agent changing colours.