Serious kdss problem

Might try calling Wilson motors in Bellingham. There are quite a few trails cursing around town so they may have the SST. Also might be cheaper.
Hey red beard i talked to wilson toyota in bellingham and they dont have the tool
And neither does amy toyota dealer in the vancouver bc area
I have tried lexus dealers and no luck yet. How can toyota sell a vehicle they cant service
No dealer has ther sst and is not willing to purchase one for 1800$ to do the job
 
Hey red beard i talked to wilson toyota in bellingham and they dont have the tool
And neither does amy toyota dealer in the vancouver bc area
I have tried lexus dealers and no luck yet. How can toyota sell a vehicle they cant service
No dealer has ther sst and is not willing to purchase one for 1800$ to do the job
Getting the vehicle fixed in the US is going to be cheaper but
I think it could be the same with them not having the sst
Anybody in Bellingham or south of there know of any dealer that
Mihht have the tool please letme know thanks
 
My TE had the same front cylinder leak last year when still within warranty(barely).
My dealership had to borrow one bleeder tool set from one of the Lexus dealerships.
 
My TE had the same front cylinder leak last year when still within warranty(barely).
My dealership had to borrow one bleeder tool set from one of the Lexus dealerships.
im hoping that a lexus dealer will have the tool otherwise
I might end up looking all down the coast to San Diego
 
The dealerships here dont seem intetrsted
In cooperating with each othet

That really stinks. Horrible customer experience. You basically have a 5 year old vehicle that Toyota dealers can't fix because they are too cheap to buy a tool. When is Toyota going to wake up and start getting these dealers in line. I really think Toyota dealers are worse than any other brand. I know people here defend them constantly, but I say the majority of them suck. It's either that, or Toyota service support sucks that bad. Something is obviously not right. I hope you find one that will take care of you....
 
That really stinks. Horrible customer experience. You basically have a 5 year old vehicle that Toyota dealers can't fix because they are too cheap to buy a tool. When is Toyota going to wake up and start getting these dealers in line. I really think Toyota dealers are worse than any other brand. I know people here defend them constantly, but I say the majority of them suck. It's either that, or Toyota service support sucks that bad. Something is obviously not right. I hope you find one that will take care of you....
We have written a letter with that exact sentiment
That dealers wont put out the money to service there vehicles
And thats annoying. It seems like i might find the sst at a lexus dealer
see if there attitude is better ive talked too two lexus dealers and they were
very snobby. Wont work on toyotas
 
Its politics, the reality is that dealerships are more of a franchise than a direct arm of Toyota; they are all owned and operated by private companies/persons under a Toyota license and are in their own right to manage their business however they feel they should. Toyota does have guidelines and expectations on how its dealerships should operate and what SSTs they should be using, but there isn't a lot of enforcement on that from the corporate level from what I have seen in my personal experience/opinion. I've talked to a few factory guys and they basically lament over the same thing as well, the reality is that the same style of penny pinchers that run the dealerships also tend to run larger corporations such as Toyota. So the idea of creating a costly and time consuming "task force" to enforce their guidelines is something most bean counters will think is useless while the field/technical guys absolutely understand the need for it.

In this respect Toyota in my opinion isn't any different than other brands, I hear horror stories of a lot of dealerships regardless of the brands. Just the internal conflict between Lexus and Toyota seems ridiculous to me, let alone the way the Lexus dealer tends to treat Toyota customers seeking service (though some of that has to do with the way Lexus/Toyota is structured if I remember right.)
 
Its politics, the reality is that dealerships are more of a franchise than a direct arm of Toyota; they are all owned and operated by private companies/persons under a Toyota license and are in their own right to manage their business however they feel they should. Toyota does have guidelines and expectations on how its dealerships should operate and what SSTs they should be using, but there isn't a lot of enforcement on that from the corporate level from what I have seen in my personal experience/opinion. I've talked to a few factory guys and they basically lament over the same thing as well, the reality is that the same style of penny pinchers that run the dealerships also tend to run larger corporations such as Toyota. So the idea of creating a costly and time consuming "task force" to enforce their guidelines is something most bean counters will think is useless while the field/technical guys absolutely understand the need for it.

In this respect Toyota in my opinion isn't any different than other brands, I hear horror stories of a lot of dealerships regardless of the brands. Just the internal conflict between Lexus and Toyota seems ridiculous to me, let alone the way the Lexus dealer tends to treat Toyota customers seeking service (though some of that has to do with the way Lexus/Toyota is structured if I remember right.)

I get it, but I really think some other brands (Like GM) have made great strides recently in cleaning up their dealers acts. They are still crooks, but much better than before. They got to clean house a few years back and it seems like they now take customer complaints very seriously.

The GM dealers I have worked with are truly scared to get any negative feedback in their corporate surveys.... I can't say for sure, but I'm pretty confident I could get a GM dealer to jump pretty quickly if they did not have a tool required to service a currently produced vehicle. That is just asinine to not be willing to get it. I might understand if it was a really small dealer... but they should at least have a loaner program established.

I'm sure customers buying a new 2015 40k+ 4runner trails with KDSS won't be too happy to find out it becomes an un-serviceable item in 3 years when the warranty goes out.

I think this is one area where the domestic brands really excel over foreign brands. Just like I doubt this same situation happens with dealers in Japan.

Lexus usually has fantastic customer service... but I guess they are structured in a way that does not allow that same level of service to those ghetto Toyota owners ;-)
 
[MENTION=119149]BCtrail[/MENTION] I just pm'd a fellow member and engineer my thoughts on helping you out a bit. If he concurs I will post a possible alternate method that could be a much cheaper fix. I will update this post soon.

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Alright, just went through this with [MENTION=78273]Jeremy556[/MENTION] and we both agree there is an alternate way to fix your problem.
First of all, do this at your own risk! This is what I would do in your situation and if you don't feel comfortable with it then by all means work it out with Toyota.

The TE KDSS system is not magic nor are there any components or systems that are not in use on other types of equipment.

If this were me with your problem:
1. Print out all applicable data on the KDSS system.
2. Drive your truck to a local hydraulics shop armed with that information and ask them for an estimate on repairing the KDSS cylinder and recharging the hydraulic side of the circuit. I checked and you have several shops close by. If the KDSS cylinder is able to be disassembled then it would be short work for them to put in a new rod seal. If the shaft is galled or the cylinder is built to be a throw away then you will have to get a new one.
3. Depending on which way you go with the cylinder I would still a) buy the fluid from Toyota and b) take it to the hydraulics shop and let them bleed and fill your KDSS hydraulic system. Why? These guys do hydraulic machines all the time and your local Toyota garage never does. They will know what to do if you give them the procedure with the correct pressure settings.

Now, this is what I would do. You could save potentially $2K or more by doing it this way. If you have to buy a new KDSS cylinder then that cuts back on your savings but a decent hydraulics shop already has the tooling they just don't have the procedure or the fluid.

Again, this is an alternate way to approach this fix. If you are uncomfortable with any part of it then by all means take it to the Toyota garage and let them do the whole thing. Good luck.
 
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[MENTION=119149]BCtrail[/MENTION] I just pm'd a fellow member and engineer my thoughts on helping you out a bit. If he concurs I will post a possible alternate method that could be a much cheaper fix. I will update this post soon.
Not a real engineer, for the record. IT guy with engineer in job title, kinda like a custodial or sanitation engineer. :nerd:
 
Not a real engineer, for the record. IT guy with engineer in job title, kinda like a custodial or sanitation engineer. :nerd:

...a friend of mine has a Masonry degree from the local Vo-Tech high school. He has 63 patents now on material handling systems and equipment. He is one of the most brilliant engineers I have ever worked with. He can solve Thermo and Diffeq calculations faster than math majors. He has a degree in laying block...
 
The hydraulics repair shop is a good alternative. I have used a local one for custom brake systems before. They typically deal with many different types of systems and have lots of specialized tools and fittings. Will just depend on how willing they are to take on work.
 
...a friend of mine has a Masonry degree from the local Vo-Tech high school. He has 63 patents now on material handling systems and equipment. He is one of the most brilliant engineers I have ever worked with. He can solve Thermo and Diffeq calculations faster than math majors. He has a degree in laying block...
Engineer is such a broad term.
I'm an engineer who flips bits for a living, LOL. I know a few engineers who can't change a tire, but they are still brilliant at what they do.
 
Engineer is such a broad term.
I'm an engineer who flips bits for a living, LOL. I know a few engineers who can't change a tire, but they are still brilliant at what they do.

Yep. Brilliant engineers with no formal training, terrible engineers with Doctorates.
 
These are just simple hydraulic pistons right? Is there any reason you can't just source a replacement piston from surplus center or elsewhere and have a machine shop weld on the proper ends from your existing one?

I don't know that it's worth the effort to save very little, but is there some reason it's not doable?
 
These are just simple hydraulic pistons right? Is there any reason you can't just source a replacement piston from surplus center or elsewhere and have a machine shop weld on the proper ends from your existing one?

I don't know that it's worth the effort to save very little, but is there some reason it's not doable?

They are hydraulic cylinders yes, but I would keep the OEM cylinders, either rebuilt or new. The seals, tubing, mounts, orifices and especially size is specifically engineered for this application. If you mix a larger bore front cylinder with a smaller bore OEM cylinder then you get a circuit that won't work. Replacing a seal in the OEM cylinder is one thing. Replacing the whole cylinder with another is a path I wouldn't go down.
 
/in my best [MENTION=81573]Stifler[/MENTION] imitation/

Ah just rip that shite out.

OK, I was being a SA when I posted that, but seriously - fix it? Not so sure I'd do that. Let's just say you get lucky and do get it fixed right the first time, and for oh, what, $1,000?

There are 3 more of those cylinders left, right? Just sayin'.
 
Someone mention Engineers
 

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