WFO9 Supercharger Install and results thread

[wfo9]

I'd be interested if Magnusson could build a second tune for 87 Octane for my trips into Baja.

Because you'll never find anything higher than 87 and carrying ethanol or octane booster to do a 2000 mile trip off road would be comically silly and dangerous lugging that much around in the vehicle.

I sort of doubt you could get a 87 tune. Possible, but unlikely... the static compression is a bit high to start with. It's not that it won't run on 87.. you just take on more risk of detonation. But the quick math I did results in 1.75 gallons of additive for 2k mile trip. That seems easy enough to mange, but it is a hassle.

 

[LawnDart]

I sort of doubt you could get a 87 tune. Possible, but unlikely... the static compression is a bit high to start with. It's not that it won't run on 87.. you just take on more risk of detonation. But the quick math I did results in 1.75 gallons of additive for 2k mile trip. That seems easy enough to mange, but it is a hassle.

You also can't carry fuel across borders. So you'd have to sneak it in, and the result is also at each fuel stop you have to stop and add it.

Major drag.

 

[wfo9]

You also can't carry fuel across borders. So you'd have to sneak it in, and the result is also at each fuel stop you have to stop and add it.

Major drag.

Did not know fuel was restricted like that.

I'll forward the question on next week just to see what they say... There are a few tuners out there... so it might be possible to get a custom soft timing tune for 87 that could be swapped in and out. The URD piggyback is another possible option for fuel grade tunes....

Also, zip tied bypass may be sufficient. IDK. Will have to see what kind of boost it makes like that....

Where there is a will there is a way, but sometimes it is just not worth it.

 

[THESS]

Technically if it came down to it you could run a lower octane level. However, it is a risk. The vehicle wont like it but it will run. Where it has shown to be an issue is a guy supercharges his truck/rig and fills his tank with 87 and then tows his fifth wheel and whilst going up a hill, throws a rod. A rep of Magnuson, who was with TRD for 20+ years, stated that he has gone down to and through Mexico (though I don't know how far) with a supercharged Tacoma. Fuel down south, as I'm sure we all know, is as good as the tap water. Interesting question though Isaac, though I highly doubt a tune for 87 would come out, there may be a chance of working with the bypass so it doesn't go into boost. Then you would have to look at the tune. Maybe like a deadman tune for worse case scenarios.

 

[LawnDart]

Technically if it came down to it you could run a lower octane level. However, it is a risk. The vehicle wont like it but it will run. Where it has shown to be an issue is a guy supercharges his truck/rig and fills his tank with 87 and then tows his fifth wheel and whilst going up a hill, throws a rod. A rep of Magnuson, who was with TRD for 20+ years, stated that he has gone down to and through Mexico (though I don't know how far) with a supercharged Tacoma. Fuel down south, as I'm sure we all know, is as good as the tap water. Interesting question though Isaac, though I highly doubt a tune for 87 would come out, there may be a chance of working with the bypass so it doesn't go into boost. Then you would have to look at the tune. Maybe like a deadman tune for worse case scenarios.

You may want to run that scenario by them. Because otherwise the supercharger is a massive liability for all but the US, which I know is 95 percent of the customer bases' needs. But it would be a major issue when you're 1000 miles south of the border and you blow something up.

 

[THESS]

You may want to run that scenario by them. Because otherwise the supercharger is a massive liability for all but the US, which I know is 95 percent of the customer bases' needs. But it would be a major issue when you're 1000 miles south of the border and you blow something up.

That's definitely something Ill do. And you are correct.

 

[Argyle Edison]

This is no different than the TRD S/C on the tundra. You have to pay to play. If you cannot feed the machine the proper fuel requirements, then you shouldn't purchase.

When I was towing 10-12K back and forth to AZ I would frequently find truck stops and stations in the midwest that only supplied 89. I would use it, and it was fine, but I was driving like granny under those circumstances anyway. I would never do that if I was driving spiritedly.

 

[krelnydelnky]

Looking awesome, can’t wait to see the final numbers on this thing:wow:

 

[Scharfschütze]

Where's that ECU!?!?! I want some updates!

 

[wfo9]

Where's that ECU!?!?! I want some updates!

Was out playing with the other truck in the rocks this weekend.... did not spend any time on the SC install.

I did hit a snag with mounting the inter-cooler pump this am. I think it needs to go in a different location due to my bumper... I will figure that out in the next day or so and hopefully get an ETA on the ECU tomorrow. Hoping it will be running by the end of the week.

 

[wfo9]

You may want to run that scenario by them. Because otherwise the supercharger is a massive liability for all but the US, which I know is 95 percent of the customer bases' needs. But it would be a major issue when you're 1000 miles south of the border and you blow something up.

Magnuson will require 91 octane fuel with their kit. No other configuration will be officially supported or warrantied by them. They don't currently have plans to provide a low octane configuration.

 

[YetiX]

You also can't carry fuel across borders. So you'd have to sneak it in, and the result is also at each fuel stop you have to stop and add it.

Major drag.

Not to derail this thread, but why do you say that you can't carry fuel across borders? I've carried auxiliary fuel tanks across the border many, many times and no one has ever said a word or looked twice. You could just put the additive in a 2 gallon Rotopax and be good to go.

 

[LawnDart]

Not to derail this thread, but why do you say that you can't carry fuel across borders? I've carried auxiliary fuel tanks across the border many, many times and no one has ever said a word or looked twice. You could just put the additive in a 2 gallon Rotopax and be good to go.

All our spare tanks were inspected.

 

[YetiX]

All our spare tanks were inspected.

I wonder if that's because you were with a "formal" film crew with permits and all of that.

I had two Rotopax on my KTM 950 and was never stopped or asked about them. Our chase vehicle had two red 5 gallon Jerrycans on the rear bumper and they didn't ask about those either.

 

[LawnDart]

I wonder if that's because you were with a "formal" film crew with permits and all of that.

I had two Rotopax on my KTM 950 and was never stopped or asked about them. Our chase vehicle had two red 5 gallon Jerrycans on the rear bumper and they didn't ask about those either.

Wether they ask or not, if you get audited/inspected you risk fines if you break the laws.

Hence better to play it safe.

 

[05Rrunner]

Magnuson will require 91 octane fuel with their kit. No other configuration will be officially supported or warrantied by them. They don't currently have plans to provide a low octane configuration.

Good thats Smart , totally makes sense.
When you buy a supercharger to enhance performance there are certain things you have to provide and good fuel is one of them. From the old musclecar days you just carry a couple cans of octane booster with you if you need to. Many late-model cars require premium fuel. Corvette Z06, ZL1 Camaro, GT500 , heck the 07 FJ 91 was required. The truth is all these motors will still run just not as efficiently. The knock sensors simply retard the timing. doomsday talk is bluster from haters.

 

[Brandonium]

This exactly. Higher performance comes with a cost. Hard to believe some are having problems coping with this. It should not have to be spelled out. All of my high performance cars have required good fuel or higher octane. Just meant I had to carry additives just to be safe. If you are 600 miles in some desert wasteland and don't want to do that then...don't get a S/C. It's that simple. :beer:

Were there moments when I found myself stuck with lower octane options? Yep! Did it explode and void warranties, etc? Nope. I also did not drive it like a maniac during those times.

Good thats Smart , totally makes sense.
When you buy a supercharger to enhance performance there are certain things you have to provide and good fuel is one of them. From the old musclecar days you just carry a couple cans of octane booster with you if you need to. Many late-model cars require premium fuel. Corvette Z06, ZL1 Camaro, GT500 , heck the 07 FJ 91 was required. The truth is all these motors will still run just not as efficiently. The knock sensors simply retard the timing. doomsday talk is bluster from haters.

 

[6172crew]

I own a twin turbo RS6, I dont use high octane fuel at this altitude because it runs too rich and kicks codes. I am at 7000k here in Los Alamos, my 3.0 timing is bumped up as far as the distributor will spin and it still wont knock or ping with 86. My motorycles and cars all get 86 unless I am planning on a road trip and I refuel there with whatever is called for. Funny thing is there is no noticeable loss of HP from all 6 of my vehicles except maybe the 848 ducati. The hyper motard, street glide, rs6, taco, both 4runners and all the other cars I have had up here run darn near the same. The 3.slow 4runner is of course the one that really needed the timing bumped up, its a dog no matter where you live, but a good beater.

My point is, you may not need 91 if you live above 3000ft. The cars cant use the octane up here.

 

[LawnDart]

Hard to believe some are having problems coping with this. It should not have to be spelled out.

Lighten up, Francis. No one was whining, I asked a question about a low octane tune to allow for those of us who can't carry 2+ gallons of ethanol in our vehicle where it's 115+ degrees.

Since it's a deciding factor on this upgrade, and because asking questions is the whole point of a "pilot build program" that's the whole reason for us to be involved in asking. Yeesh.

 

[Kodiak555]

Keep coming here for Supercharger install updates. Leave disappointed with more b.s. hypotheticals...sigh. Eager to hear more about the install!