mgrande
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you might see a new engine in 2012
Report: Toyota plans to add turbo, direct-injection to most of lineup — Autoblog
Report: Toyota plans to add turbo, direct-injection to most of lineup — Autoblog
2012 t4r?
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I'd bet 2013 at the earliest. The 4Runner is not a high volume vehicle for Toyota, and I suspect they will go after the high volume vehicles first.
mgrande
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probably right. I'm hoping the reason they didnt put the new 4.0 in the tacoma is they are going with one of these for the '12 redesign.
SeattleMike
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I'd think you'd see the 4-cylinder diesel before a V8.
That is exactly what I am waiting for with the 2012. It seems like a done deal the new JGC will get a better transmission so I would expect Toyota to follow with the 4runner.
I will still buy a 2012 even if there is no tranny change....but man....that would be the icing on the cake.
If Toyota put a 6 cylinder turbo-diesel in the 4Runner, I'd trade up rather than keep my 4th Gen for another 100,000 miles.
But I doubt they'll do that. Toyota canceled the diesel planned for the Tundra, which is a higher volume vehicle than the 4Runner, and pickup buyers are more accustomed to diesels than SUV buyers.
dekeman
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I hate to say it, but Toyota these days seems too timid to add a diesel, just like Honda, which is running a little scared. MDX was supposed to get a diesel but Honda chickened out, losing a ton of sales to X5, Q7, Touareg and ML. And diesel sales are looking up as more people learn that today's diesels aren't like old diesels, plus get hybrid-like mileage.
A TRD V6 turbo diesel could be used across the range, however, in the FJ, Taco, 4R and Tundra, not to mention the GX if they do it right. If Toyota hasn't lost it's mojo, it's still possible, but unlikely before 2013 when the 4R gets a refresh.
A TRD V6 turbo diesel could be used across the range, however, in the FJ, Taco, 4R and Tundra, not to mention the GX if they do it right. If Toyota hasn't lost it's mojo, it's still possible, but unlikely before 2013 when the 4R gets a refresh.
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Yes, it could. However, each vehicle/drivetrain combination needs to go through emissions and mileage testing, at considerable expense. I just don't see Toyota going to that expense for the smaller volume FJ, 4Runner, and GX. I hope I'm wrong.
At the Detroit Auto Show, Toyota said they were considering a unibody, hybrid pickup. While I think hybrid is the wrong way to go, I suspect Toyota will head that way before they bring diesels here to the US. More's the pity.
That was just a very old concept. There is no suggestion from Toyota that a production vehicle will look like the A-BAT.
trentfysty
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Diesel would be nice but I think it's a long shot. None of the Japanese automakers have diesels coming to the U.S. So far only the Germans have had the guts to put diesels in anything other than a pickup. VW has the Diesel thing down but any given model with Diesel sells for 2-3k more. How may ML, Q7, or other s/u do you see around that have the diesel option? Hardly any.
My wife and I have a Jetta TDI, our second one actually, and we love it. It has had no problems at all and gets about 48MPG. There has to be some major marketing done to get people really interested in diesel and Toyota is way too conservative to be the first Japanese automaker to import a diesel. Maybe I'm wrong but my guess is you will see a hybrid before a diesel as they Prius has done very well and it's the "in" thing to own a Toyota hybrid.
Jeep had a great opportunity to put the Diamler diesel in the wrangler but didn't. They also got rid of the Liberty and Grand Cherokee Diesels...if they had been big sellers they wouldn't have done that.
The other issue you have is training the dealer mechanics to work on diesel. As Toyota doesn't have any diesels in their U.S. lineup that is a lot of training to do in order to service the vehicle. Those same tech already know how to work on a hybrid and thus requires less training.
I would be first in line to buy a 4runner diesel and I would pay 4-5k more to do so as I understand the benefits. Unfortunately there are way too many Americans that don't understand the benefits.
My wife and I have a Jetta TDI, our second one actually, and we love it. It has had no problems at all and gets about 48MPG. There has to be some major marketing done to get people really interested in diesel and Toyota is way too conservative to be the first Japanese automaker to import a diesel. Maybe I'm wrong but my guess is you will see a hybrid before a diesel as they Prius has done very well and it's the "in" thing to own a Toyota hybrid.
Jeep had a great opportunity to put the Diamler diesel in the wrangler but didn't. They also got rid of the Liberty and Grand Cherokee Diesels...if they had been big sellers they wouldn't have done that.
The other issue you have is training the dealer mechanics to work on diesel. As Toyota doesn't have any diesels in their U.S. lineup that is a lot of training to do in order to service the vehicle. Those same tech already know how to work on a hybrid and thus requires less training.
I would be first in line to buy a 4runner diesel and I would pay 4-5k more to do so as I understand the benefits. Unfortunately there are way too many Americans that don't understand the benefits.
My 2004 4th gen is showing its age a little but I really don't want to trade for the 5th gen at this stage. I am really hoping they introduce a diesel for 2012 because that is probably when I will be making the switch. I had a diesel Citroen in the UK and that thing (ironically) was one of the most reliable cars I have owned in retrospect - I sold it in 2002 with 150,000 miles on it and I happen to know its still going strong today. The only thing that was slightly problematic on it was the stupid hydrogas suspension - the engine and transmission just kept on going.
sandcrawler
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not discounting the power of positive thinking, but a diesel for the 2012 MY? don't hold your breath, man.
JohnsD90
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Not in America, toyota isn't one of the brands that is bringing diesel to the states, i would be less surprised to see a 500hp v8 under the hood than a fuel sipping Turbo Diesel 4runner. America hates diesel.
TRDSmokedU
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I know we have beaten this to death, but I really don't know why Toyota did not go with the V8 for the 4Runner. I know consumer reports is not well liked by many on here, however, I was reading a comparison between the GX460 and the 4Runner. Consumer reports observed the same exact numbers for gas mileage between both vehicles. 12 city 24 highway. The overall observed MPG was 18 for the 4R and 17 for the GX. One MPG? Give me the V8 please!! I would like the see the 5.7 but I know that's only a dream.
Koz
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Also the GX has a six speed trans and is 500 lbs. heavier. I would bet the V8 in the 4Runner would get better gas mileage then the V6!
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