6th gen 2017 4R, will it exist?

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A few more tidbits gleaned from the November 2014 Toyota U.S. Sales Summary:

  • YTD the 4Runner (68.8K units) has outsold the entire Scion lineup (54.2K units)
  • Out of 8 Toyota nameplates in the SUV & Van division, the 4Runner ranks (a distant) 4th (behind RAV4, Highlander, & Sienna) YTD, but also has sold more units than 5th-8th place combined (Venza, FJ, Sequoia, Land Cruiser)
  • The 4Runner has sold more units YTD than any other Lexus vehicle (car or SUV), except for the RX (which sold 93.9K units so far this year)
  • 4Runner sales are up 48% -- the best of any Toyota car or truck; compare that to the Tundra, which was also refreshed for 2014, but is only up 6%
 
I don't know how many it takes to turn a profit but I think you assume popular vehicles are produced in the hundreds of thousands each year and that is what it takes to make money with them. Here is a quick table and it may surprise you:

US 2014 YTD Units Sold:
Camaro - 79,669
Mustang - 73,124
Escalade - 17,201
Charger - 85,667
Pilot - 97,378
Impreza - 74,864
Tahoe - 86,467
4Runner - 68,762
Beetle - 26,912

That list is an eye opener. My initial thought was that the majority of those models are at the end of their run and naturally sales had lagged, but after a quick spot check on some earlier model years of the same generation, the figures aren't all that different.

I'd have guessed all day long that twice as many Mustangs were sold as 4Runners.
 
From a post over at Tacomaworld forums:

I'm thinking we could see this drivetrain make its way into the next 4R being the two models typically share engines/transmissions.

Somebody posted this earlier:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Toyota/comme..._dealer_owner/

2016 Tacoma news.
From the mouth of the Owner/GM at my local Toyota dealer whom I've known for 15 yrs, and just got back from new product meetings recently.
Here's what he told me while I waited for my car to be serviced.
Should debut 1 year from now in the fall 2015 Oct/Nov.
All new from ground up. Toyota has clearly been working on this for a while and likely were waiting to see what the new Colorado was like so they can crush it. Probably why the new Tacoma dealers were promised last year for around now didn't happen. They want to get it right.
Expect a Tundra-like interior.
No carryover engines! All new more powerful and efficient drivetrains including a new 3.5L V6 running on Atkinson cycle. 6 speed manual lives on.
I asked if the front looked like the fugly current 4runner and thankfully he said no, more like a Tundra, but still looks aggressive and all new.
Sadly just going on his word which has been accurate in the 3 prior times he leaked me info (Venza, FRS, all new Corolla). No pics but it can only be a matter of time before legit spy shots turn up or we see something at an auto show.
 
I asked if the front looked like the fugly current 4runner and thankfully he said no, more like a Tundra, but still looks aggressive and all new.

Yep. That 10-13 nose was pretty bad and boring looking. I'm glad I waited for the 14. :tongue:
 
There HAS to be a 6th gen 4runner!

This is no more FJ Cruiser, no more Nissan Xterra.

Toyota would be crazy if they dropped its BOF 4runner. 4runner would basically have zero competition.
 
agreed. Would be dumb for them to drop a vehicle where they would dominate the market due to lack of competition (like they did with the Tacoma for over a decade.... everyone else backed out and they just kept making and selling Tacoma's...)

anywho, likely the first place you'll know is by monitoring this site:
Subject Top Page: Passenger Car, Light Duty Truck, and Medium Duty Vehicle Executive Orders - 2016

Right now only the Yaris, and Corolla, Camry and Scion TC, Mirai and Lexus ES have engine information uploaded. I'm waiting to see the new Tacoma powertrain specs as well as watching for a 4runner listing.
 
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It is safe to say there will be.
BOF are xterra, 4Runner and wrangler.

The only other competition is JGC and JC, which are unibody.
Rumors of xterra leaving the U.S. Market after 2015.
 
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It is safe to say there will be.
BOF are xterra, 4Runner and wrangler.

The only other competition is JGC and JC, which are unibody.
Rumors of xterra leaving the U.S. Market after 2015.


indeed Xterra is being discontinued for 2016...

Looking ahead to 2020 when I plan to purchase our next SUV I don't see Toyota doing anything that could make us buy another 4Runner.
It's time to move up to a Land Cruiser for us. More power, more towing capacity, more interior creature comforts... and the same if not better offroad capability and aftermarket support for parts.

By 2020, we'll be able to find a lightly used, 2015 Land Cruiser with decent mileage for the same or less price as a brand new 4Runner and since I've been drooling over the 2015 Amazon Green Metallic Land Cruiser I saw one in the showroom earlier this year... I will find one and buy it in 2020 after someone pays the first $45-50,000 of depreciation for me. JACKPOT!
 
indeed Xterra is being discontinued for 2016...

Looking ahead to 2020 when I plan to purchase our next SUV I don't see Toyota doing anything that could make us buy another 4Runner.
It's time to move up to a Land Cruiser for us. More power, more towing capacity, more interior creature comforts... and the same if not better offroad capability and aftermarket support for parts.

By 2020, we'll be able to find a lightly used, 2015 Land Cruiser with decent mileage for the same or less price as a brand new 4Runner and since I've been drooling over the 2015 Amazon Green Metallic Land Cruiser I saw one in the showroom earlier this year... I will find one and buy it in 2020 after someone pays the first $45-50,000 of depreciation for me. JACKPOT!
I think there is a good reason they depreciate so fast. Unreliable and parts are super expensive. I'm open minded about most brands but LR is not one of them at the moment. There is some hope that GMC will bring back the Hummer segment. I sure hope so. The new Colorado is a solid platform they could build a capable SUV on.
 
I didn't say Land Rover (LR) I said a Land Cruiser....you know, Toyota's ultimate offroad, let's go places vehicle, and also the NATO vehicle of choice.

I'd rather get kicked in the nuts from behind
than buy or drive a Land Rover :50cal:
 
I didn't say Land Rover (LR) I said a Land Cruiser....you know, Toyota's ultimate offroad, let's go places vehicle, and also the NATO vehicle of choice.

I'd rather get kicked in the nuts from behind
than buy or drive a Land Rover :50cal:
Oh, sorry I read LR for some reason. I guess it was the depreciation part. LCs don't seem to drop that fast.
 
2010's can be found now in the high 30's low 40's... After 5 years they're worth about 55% of new price. So by the msrp of 2015's I'll have to dish out low 40's for a 2015 in 2020.
 
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and just a nugget of info on the LC, they are built with 25yr lifespan design.

hence the higher cost since they built with thicker/studier frame/components.

read that in a article which was surprising to learn. guess that's why everyone around the world uses them.
 
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