Maximize your KDSS + extended travel shocks

[Okusputokus]

I wholeheartedly agree. Now I haven't had a NON-KDSS runner but for what I use mine for it's been great, which is occasional tough offroading but mostly overlanding and mild offroading. I think MT or LT would be effective if you are doing ROCK GARDENS and stuff like that but even then I've found ways up challenging obstacles, granted I don't look as cool and flexed out LOL. I'm 3" lifted and haven't had any issues to date BUT love how stiff it is on the concrete even weighing 6500 lbs.

Just got to throw a comment in here before we get back on topic:
I have owned a 2017 without KDSS and a 2013 with kdss. Oh my gosh KDSS is amazing! I would never want to own a non-KDSS again.

My 2013 is lifted and it especially makes a huge difference since it prevents almost all body roll while grocery-getting and makes an amazing difference leveling the truck off road as well.

 

[RainGoat]

I wholeheartedly agree. Now I haven't had a NON-KDSS runner but for what I use mine for it's been great, which is occasional tough offroading but mostly overlanding and mild offroading. I think MT or LT would be effective if you are doing ROCK GARDENS and stuff like that but even then I've found ways up challenging obstacles, granted I don't look as cool and flexed out LOL. I'm 3" lifted and haven't had any issues to date BUT love how stiff it is on the concrete even weighing 6500 lbs.

LOVE the KDSS. Not only does it stiffen up on road driving (and gravel road driving) but the magic of it is that it actually INCREASES travel off road over a stock truck. Toyota says an extra 10cm on the Land Cruiser - I’ve been unable to find the # for the T4R or GX. It also notably smooths out washboard roads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb7B6h_CNyU&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLF6n3nMwww&feature=youtu.be

 

[Okusputokus]

Not sure if you all have seen this one. Haven't checked if it's the same as 5th gen system either. Assuming it's similar. Mine isn't bad so not too worried.
FIX KDSS LEAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtURdW66WM4

 

[TK-422]

Hey it was my idea too [emoji51]. Seriously tho I looked everywhere and couldn’t find anything. And I went as far as creating a trac bar that almost worked but literally during testing light bulb went off in my head. I guess we have same thinkn.


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Yeah I have no problem with that. I say go for it. If it can help others out good for you. I haven't been here for a while and when I saw your post it was a funny where have I been here before moment.

I lifted mine and am lucky not to have a lean but noticed others where having problems with it. Like you I looked at the problem and came up with a solution. Our solutions were too similar not to point it out.

Good luck with your endeavor.

 

[TK-422]

I have a bit unrelated, yet a related question. I'm new to the forum and am very much looking into getting a 4Runner as my new vehicle here soon. If I do get a 4Runner, I have already admitted that I will be doing a lift to it at some point. That being said, is the KDSS option worth it if I will be doing a suspension swap anyways down the line?

I would say definitely. Even with an aftermarket lift it will keep your vehicle more stable.

 

[WD_T4R]

Hi!! I'm interested in maybe buying but I'm a beginner when it comes to suspension so I have questions. I have Dobinsons suspension, 2.25" in the rear and everything else is stock in the rear.

I did the test of elevating the rear to see if the trac bar was contacting the sway bar and yes it is a little bit (kind of the same way that you post on your instagram story).

It doesn't seems to have rub a lot tough. I think it will touch when offloading at high articulation am I right? But when I do trails, I'm not doing fast speed thing. I'm always in low gears and do obstacle slowly.

Can something break very bad or do something bad at long term for something in the suspension? What could be the effect on short and long term? I think if I pass obstacles slowly, if it rub, it will rub slowly and not be that bad?

I'm in Quebec, Canada, so with the dollar conversion and shipping it's a little expensive. Thats why I'm hesitant to buy it.

So what do you think guys? Will it be absolutely necessary? I'm interested in knowing what could happen in short and long term. Thank you very much for your help and sorry for the few mistakes, I'm not English at first.

 

[EddieV4runnin]

Link to buy a set??? :high5:

 

[2112 R]

Link to buy a set??? :high5:

Go to the IG page linked in the OP. Head to the web site and sign up.

Unrelated to this question ...
Every time KDSS is mentioned in a post the great KDSS vs Non KDSS debate begins. It's like ya'll can smell the bait and come runnin'.

 

[Jetboy]

Hi!! I'm interested in maybe buying but I'm a beginner when it comes to suspension so I have questions. I have Dobinsons suspension, 2.25" in the rear and everything else is stock in the rear.

I did the test of elevating the rear to see if the trac bar was contacting the sway bar and yes it is a little bit (kind of the same way that you post on your instagram story).

It doesn't seems to have rub a lot tough. I think it will touch when offloading at high articulation am I right? But when I do trails, I'm not doing fast speed thing. I'm always in low gears and do obstacle slowly.

Can something break very bad or do something bad at long term for something in the suspension? What could be the effect on short and long term? I think if I pass obstacles slowly, if it rub, it will rub slowly and not be that bad?

I'm in Quebec, Canada, so with the dollar conversion and shipping it's a little expensive. Thats why I'm hesitant to buy it.

So what do you think guys? Will it be absolutely necessary? I'm interested in knowing what could happen in short and long term. Thank you very much for your help and sorry for the few mistakes, I'm not English at first.

Nothing will happen. It will contact and maybe rub the paint off. It will also limit travel some. Nothing will break.

 

[dom42]

Hi!! I'm interested in maybe buying but I'm a beginner when it comes to suspension so I have questions. I have Dobinsons suspension, 2.25" in the rear and everything else is stock in the rear.

I did the test of elevating the rear to see if the trac bar was contacting the sway bar and yes it is a little bit (kind of the same way that you post on your instagram story).

It doesn't seems to have rub a lot tough. I think it will touch when offloading at high articulation am I right? But when I do trails, I'm not doing fast speed thing. I'm always in low gears and do obstacle slowly.

Can something break very bad or do something bad at long term for something in the suspension? What could be the effect on short and long term? I think if I pass obstacles slowly, if it rub, it will rub slowly and not be that bad?

I'm in Quebec, Canada, so with the dollar conversion and shipping it's a little expensive. Thats why I'm hesitant to buy it.

So what do you think guys? Will it be absolutely necessary? I'm interested in knowing what could happen in short and long term. Thank you very much for your help and sorry for the few mistakes, I'm not English at first.

Basically eliminating the contact will I turn make your parts last longer. The contact puts a lot of
Load of the actual track bar and it’s bushings when contact is made during real life operations. Same with the bushing for the sway bar. The sway bar is a little more burly then the track bar so I think that parts ok. But I wouldn’t want any metal on metal contact.

It’s just going to help. Put it that. No other down sides because having to buy another part. And yeah shipping to Canada is not cheap as well as the conversion. Sorry about that. But you guys get taxed less sooooo lol. Jk.

Also another benefit is you get way more security in not inverting your kdss system.


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[dom42]

Go to the IG page linked in the OP. Head to the web site and sign up.

Unrelated to this question ...
Every time KDSS is mentioned in a post the great KDSS vs Non KDSS debate begins. It's like ya'll can smell the bait and come runnin'.

This part should help lean the non kdss guys over or at least the ones in the market for a 4Runner. I’m confident the kdss 4runners are now better with this product. You can now run the same extended travel rear shock the non kdss guys can run. And even longer as well.


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[dom42]

Nothing will happen. It will contact and maybe rub the paint off. It will also limit travel some. Nothing will break.

I bent my Oem track bar with the contact. But I drive like crazy lol.


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[Jetboy]

I bent my Oem track bar with the contact. But I drive like crazy lol.


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Do you have a picture of it?

 

[Okusputokus]

KDSS abuse!!!! VTB!!!

I bent my Oem track bar with the contact. But I drive like crazy lol.


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[dom42]

Do you have a picture of it?

I don’t. I actually have a video. I’ll look for it today. What I meant to say that it bent around the first contact point which is the hard link side. The video you can see it bowing around it to get past that first contact point.


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[Crikeymike]

Following along.

I've had a few people ask me already about running the Dobinsons LT rear shocks with these new brackets, and they won't work. They're still too long.

Dobinsons regular GS59-701 (and variants) 0-3" rear shocks are 23.8", I have them on my 4Runner, and they're just clearing the sway bar and track bar right now. That's why they're the longest listed for KDSS models.

The King's the OP is running for the test are extended travel Kings at 25.75", and clearing with the new brackets.

But Dobinsons GS59-575 (and variants) are 28.75" at full extension, still too long to run with any KDSS system in place.

Just putting that out there in case other people ask about it.

 

[dom42]

Following along.

I've had a few people ask me already about running the Dobinsons LT rear shocks with these new brackets, and they won't work. They're still too long.

Dobinsons regular GS59-701 (and variants) 0-3" rear shocks are 23.8", I have them on my 4Runner, and they're just clearing the sway bar and track bar right now. That's why they're the longest listed for KDSS models.

The King's the OP is running for the test are extended travel Kings at 25.75", and clearing with the new brackets.

But Dobinsons GS59-575 (and variants) are 28.75" at full extension, still too long to run with any KDSS system in place.

Just putting that out there in case other people ask about it.

I think it’s possible but won’t know until I actually have that setup to test fit. But the 25.75” kings I have there still room for the up swing on the sway bar and the contact of the track bar. It’s just that my shocks are 25.75 which is the max extended shock length you can run with out loosing Oem bump travel which I know the Dobinsons setup doesn’t care for and lowers the bump stop location from my understanding.

Also , I just installed the drop block on a 4runner who is your customer( His name is Keith ) and his part number for the rear is the gs59-701 and he clearly was making contact. In fact before installing I jacked up the truck for him to show him where it was hanging up.

So after installing the blocks he had no more contact what so ever and can run longer for sure.

And last where are you taking the measurements from ? Kings kdss shock for the rear is 24.5” and doesn’t make contact.




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[Crikeymike]

And last where are you taking the measurements from ? Kings kdss shock for the rear is 24.5” and doesn’t make contact.

The standard way. From the base of the pin to the center of the lower eye for rear shocks in this case.

 

[dom42]

The standard way. From the base of the pin to the center of the lower eye for rear shocks in this case.

Mike I called and left a message with my contact. Let’s chat tomorrow about this and we can make it work for you. Thanks in advance.


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[mteolus]

So I don't have to look through 7 pages, is this for sale yet? If so, link?