Post-lift CV angle

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swimmerdude1127

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Hey guys, did a search but couldn't find much in terms of 5th gens...

I'm worried my CV angle may be too extreme after getting my lift installed. You may think the front is looking higher than the rear--because it is. The 700 lb spring upgrade (vs 650 regularly) on the coilovers means it doesn't settle as much at first, but it will drop for sure after I add the shrock bumper, winch, and dual batt... Probably about 250 pounds in all (all about 2 months down the road).

Here are some pics of my truck overall and the CV shots.

What are some recommendations you guys may have?
 

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Your cv boots are touching fins - they won't last long like that. When the boots fail, it will be a short time until the joints fail, if the stress of those angles don't get them first!

David
 
Canazes9 said:
Your cv boots are touching fins - they won't last long like that. When the boots fail, it will be a short time until the joints fail, if the stress of those angles don't get them first!

David
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Gotcha... So how long is "not long" and in your opinion should I try a diff drop or lower the level of the lift?
 
I have no frame of reference on the diff drop - my opinion isn't worth squat. I've read on the internet that diff drops for Toyota's are a waste of time...

Those are Icon coil overs right? If yes, then I would drop the lift down with the coil overs and get the alignment checked and call it good until you add all the weight on there.

Edit - Not long, like a couple thousand miles max before those boots eat through themselves. If you get under there and look closely I'm sure you will be able to see wear rub marks on the boots.

David
 
Any of you guys think 2 months of regular non-abusive highway driving would do them in? Trying to avoid paying to get this changed again, only to be changed another time after the weight.

I can't take it back to the shop saying they messed up bc I told them to set it at 3".
 
Canazes9 said:
I have no frame of reference on the diff drop - my opinion isn't worth squat. I've read on the internet that diff drops for Toyota's are a waste of time...

Those are Icon coil overs right? If yes, then I would drop the lift down with the coil overs and get the alignment checked and call it good until you add all the weight on there.

Edit - Not long, like a couple thousand miles max before those boots eat through themselves. If you get under there and look closely I'm sure you will be able to see wear rub marks on the boots.

David
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Yes, icon ET coilovers with remote resi's, CDC, and 700 lb spring upgrade.
 
swimmerdude1127 said:
Any of you guys think 2 months of regular non-abusive highway driving would do them in? Trying to avoid paying to get this changed again, only to be changed another time after the weight.

I can't take it back to the shop saying they messed up bc I told them to set it at 3".
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find yourself one of these, sooner rather than later, turn down your coilovers an equal number of turns on each side, then go get yourself an alignment. Once you get all the extra goodies, just crack 'em back up. easy-peasy lemon-squeezy.

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swimmerdude1127 said:
Any of you guys think 2 months of regular non-abusive highway driving would do them in? Trying to avoid paying to get this changed again, only to be changed another time after the weight.

I can't take it back to the shop saying they messed up bc I told them to set it at 3".
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Yes - i think two months of regular highway driving could do them in. You certainly can take it back to the shop that did that, you should have never been allowed to leave with that. Any shop that knew what they were doing would not have done that.

That seems excessive contact for a 3" lift - did u measure before and after?

I'm betting they took the coil overs set as Icon ships them set up for 2.5" lift and then swapped to the heavier coils. If they did that your actual lift would prob be 3.5-4", which is what I would expect w/ those CV angles.

Don't think about it, take it back tomorrow!

David
 
Canazes9 said:
Yes - i think two months of regular highway driving could do them in. You certainly can take it back to the shop that did that, you should have never been allowed to leave with that. Any shop that knew what they were doing would not have done that.

That seems excessive contact for a 3" lift - did u measure before and after?

I'm betting they took the coil overs set as Icon ships them set up for 2.5" lift and then swapped to the heavier coils. If they did that your actual lift would prob be 3.5-4", which is what I would expect w/ those CV angles.

Don't think about it, take it back tomorrow!

David
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They came from Icon with the heavier coils already installed.

Did not measure before and after, but using Okki's baseline numbers I'm wayyyy higher post-lift in the front. I told the shop to set it to 3" lift and was very particular about things, mostly the alignment. I didn't think to inspect the CVs until after I drove it home, unfortunately. I'm pretty sure the shop is going to see as a "this one is on me" kinda situation.

What's weird is other guys have gone to 3" without this much issue. My inclination is it's MUCH higher than 3.

I went with icon tubular UCAs.
 
swimmerdude1127 said:
They came from Icon with the heavier coils already installed.

Did not measure before and after, but using Okki's baseline numbers I'm wayyyy higher post-lift in the front. I told the shop to set it to 3" lift and was very particular about things, mostly the alignment. I didn't think to inspect the CVs until after I drove it home, unfortunately. I'm pretty sure the shop is going to see as a "this one is on me" kinda situation.

What's weird is other guys have gone to 3" without this much issue. My inclination is it's MUCH higher than 3.

I went with icon tubular UCAs.
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The shop should have told you about the problem regardless, no excuses there.

Measure the center of your wheel to the bottom of your fender on both sides and post those numbers here.

David
 
These measurements are from the middle of the hub to the bottom of the outer plastic fender well trim. Please tell me if I'm measuring wrong. Will post a pic soon of how I'm measuring. These are definitely ballpark for now, I'd say they're definitely within 0.5" though.

Front:
Driver: 25"
Passenger: 24"

Rear:
Driver: 25.5"
Passenger: 24.5"
 
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I've been texting back and forth with Okki.

From his baseline numbers this puts me close to a 6" lift in the front. Not sure how that's possible.
 
swimmerdude1127 said:
These measurements are from the middle of the hub to the bottom of the outer plastic fender well trim. Please tell me if I'm measuring wrong. Will post a pic soon of how I'm measuring.

Front:
Driver: 25"
Passenger: 24"

Rear:
Driver: 25.5"
Passenger: 24.5"
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EEK!!!!

I've got 2.125" total lift in the front (carefully measured before and after) I'm measuring 22.375" from center hub to center of top of fender. That means you've got AT LEAST 4.5" total lift in the front!!!!

No wonder your CV angles look so bad! Take it back to the shop where you got the lift installed and ask if they've got the tool to adjust the coil overs.

Where are you? Maybe a member close to you has the tool or can recommend a close shop?

If no on those two above options call ICON 1st thing in the AM and have them over night the tool to you! You need to get that fixed ASAP! You may still be OK for now, as you haven't had it long, but if you don't get it fixed quickly you may well kill your CV joints!

If you have the tool, I don't think its that big of a job to adjust the coil overs (I've never done it myself). My shop adjusted mine several times (I couldn't make up my mine where I wanted them) when I had mine (Icon coil overs) installed. It was relatively quick.

Good Luck!

David
 
I'm in va beach. They (Production Off Road) have the tool because they adjusted it initially. What's crazy is I'm showing only 1.5" of exposed thread above the coil collar which corresponds with most other members who I've talked with who have 2.5-3" lift.

How is this even possible????

Next question:
What approach should I be taking with this shop for them to cover this? They told me it was ready Thursday but the alignment was WAYYYYY OFF. Then they told me it was good on Friday when I picked it up. Alignment looked good and well within spec so I went with it (basically telling them I was happy), paid, and went on my way. I never thought to check the CV angle or the drastic angle of the LCA. This is my first experience getting work done on a truck so I just figured it'd just look higher.


For all the guys who said go with High Tech, this must be the biggest "I told ya so" moment ever...
 
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