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(whispers): Your lower shock mount bolt is backwards.

Drat. While muscling the thing into place, I did try the other way (bolt head in the rear), but it was a pain to get in. I will give it try again later. It's Saturday, and I have more time... Any foreseeable issue if I keep that lower shock bolt in that position?

EDIT/ADD: Took all but 15 minutes, before breakfast.

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In order to get that lower bolt in place, as maybe evident in the photo, it's fully articulated in 7 to 8 o'clock position. Curious to see how that changes as it is raised (application of weight). Of note, with the bolt the way I had it, I can see how it might possibly impact the CV shaft. Maybe, but doesn't seem likely. Thanks Matt!

Brian - Thank you. Looking to order some of those clips!
 
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With the lower shock bolt turned around, I torqued that to spec (101 ft-lbs). I then got started on the SPC UCAs. Here are the install instructions.

http://www.spcalignment.com/instructions/25460-INS_WEB.pdf

Put some anti-seize on the insert and on the knuckle, pressed it in and installed the retention clip.

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I soon realized that I did something wrong as the SPC ball joint was not sliding far enough down into the insert I had just pressed-in.

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I looked at the instructions again, and followed them properly. I'm quite sure the instructions are wrong. The insert needs to drop-down into the knuckle, with the retaining clip below. The instructions show the insert going-in from below, and the retaining clip on top. Needs to go like this, in the foreground.

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So, I pressed-out the insert.

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So, I lost some valuable time, and I would lose more... That damn retaining clip was not easy to put in place before, and it was a major pain doing so from below on my back. I found needle nose vice grips helpful to hold it while I worked into place...

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Due to family obligations later in the afternoon, I knew I would not finish today. Drat. I snugged-up the ball joint to 45 ft-lbs and used the supplied cotter pin in the castle nut.

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I lubed the bushings and installed the passenger side arm. No installed photo at this time...

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Per popular consensus here, I'll be using the G caster setting. I'll tighten that nut next, but not to 150 ft-lbs just yet.
 
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The Kings and SPC UCAs are installed and everything torqued to spec, minus the UCA top nuts as I still need to play with the camber.

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As stated earlier, I'm going with the "G" setting on the SPC UCAs. I read a few threads, and that seems the way to go. Credit to "fourfive" for championing this setting 3 or so years ago and "Bandit Runner" for clarifying it later with detailed instructions.

This is what "G" looks like from above.

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I quickly installed the stock wheels/tires and lowered it down and got 24". I imagine there will be some settling, but it might be too high. Not sure yet. I still need to install the winch and see how they settle...

My mom visited just as I loosened the eccentric cam adjuster bolts. I thought i was familiar with them, but I had not played with those before. Probably thinking of another ride or when Timmy marked them when we did the LCA bushing. Regardless, when I can make some time next week, I'll get familiar with their movement and then rotate the front cams inward, the back cams outward. The "G" setting is to maximize clearance, and from that position, the LCA eccentric bolt adjustments should maximize caster...

I will need longer front sway bar links. Might go with a quick disconnect, or like what I did in the rear. Not sure yet...
 
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Drat. While muscling the thing into place, I did try the other way (bolt head in the rear), but it was a pain to get in. I will give it try again later. It's Saturday, and I have more time... Any foreseeable issue if I keep that lower shock bolt in that position?
I don't think there is a clearance issue with the bolt going the 'wrong' direction - it is a tool access issue - you should be torquing the nut side of a bolt/nut combo, and facing front is where you have the best access.

Most of the time when I have a choice on suspension, I place the nut on the 'back' side, to avoid road debris from damaging threads. The lower shock bolt is one of those exceptions though.

Oh, and a jack under the ball joint, a big screwdriver (for aligning the lower shock eye) and a mallet are your friends for installing those bolts. Or just some muscle. :lol:

24" center of hub to fender is 4" of lift. Check your measurement at full droop to see how much droop you have at ride height. 23" and less is probably where you want to be... (stock is considered 20") Get the alignment close by eyeball, drive it a bit and let it settle to see how much you need to adjust.

-Charlie
 
With much of Easter Sunday with the family, I had only a little time to get some work done. And, with a little time today, removal is now complete.

First, the flattest most level space outside the garage is on a patch of dirt on the side of the house. So, that's where I set up.

First, I took some measurements. In the rear, I put the new spare, the tool and recovery gear bags. Here's what I got.

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If the Kings make for about a 2" lift out-of-the-box, that might work-out well for me...

With that noted, I got busy. I also marked exactly where I parked or positioned the tires so when I take those measurements again, I can make sure I do so in the same spot.

I continue to be a fan of jack-able jack stands. Added the floor jack simply for back-up support, applying light upward pressure only.

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The factory shocks were removed with no problems, three 14 mm nuts on top and a 17 mm at the bottom. The ABS lines were disconnected at three spots on each side so as to prevent any tension on those. The UBJs popped-out with ease. Not keeping them, so I went this route.

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Not having a deep enough socket the correct size to drive the UBJs, I shortened them.

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Forgot, I removed retainer clip before the cutting...

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I couldn't find my C press or ball joint kit. I now believe those were stolen years ago at our old house where I had those in a shed for a while as we prepared to move. I knew a couple things were taken, but just realized that those were in there too. Drat. So, I got creative...

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Had to really crank-down...

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While I tend to believe I could have made this work, I saw the C-clamp starting bend under the force and decided it best to back it off. Went to Harbor Freight got a kit there with pretty solid reviews and a 25% discount helped...

They popped-out with ease.

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Of possible note, by disconnecting the sway bar links I was able to lower each knuckle with a floor jack to a good spot that allowed for sufficient space or clearance.

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UCA removal went well too. The long bolt on the driver side required the movement of the battery hot lead bracket and the bracket for this connector under the battery box.

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With those long bolts out, removal was complete.

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I will do some light rust removal and cleaning next before the installation of the Kings and SPC UCAs...

When I installed total chaos UCAs on my Tacoma I bent the crap out of both my c clamps haha.. At the time I didn’t know about the special c clamp for ball joints. For future reference if you put those metal pucks in the freezer before install they go in a heluva lot easier. Progress looks great man, when do we get to see a pic with the new rims/tires?!?
 
It should settle a bit after a few weeks. Also the winch like you said. And you can lower them a bit as needed.

Brian, there's some hope. I drove it around the circular driveway a few times, a speed bump in front of our house, and the passenger side is now around 23" and the driver side a little more than 22 1/2". The ground under our basketball hoop is pretty flat and level, but not ideal...

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With some more settling and the winch, I think they might not need to be adjusted...

I don't think there is a clearance issue with the bolt going the 'wrong' direction - it is a tool access issue - you should be torquing the nut side of a bolt/nut combo, and facing front is where you have the best access.

Most of the time when I have a choice on suspension, I place the nut on the 'back' side, to avoid road debris from damaging threads. The lower shock bolt is one of those exceptions though.

Oh, and a jack under the ball joint, a big screwdriver (for aligning the lower shock eye) and a mallet are your friends for installing those bolts. Or just some muscle. :lol:

24" center of hub to fender is 4" of lift. Check your measurement at full droop to see how much droop you have at ride height. 23" and less is probably where you want to be... (stock is considered 20") Get the alignment close by eyeball, drive it a bit and let it settle to see how much you need to adjust.

-Charlie

Funny, I was thinking the exact same about access being better with the nut forward, but that it would get more debris and impacts. With an extension, I could torque it from the rear though. Ratchet extensions do not negatively impact torque readings, as you likely know. Regardless, I have them turned with nuts forward... I used a centering drift for the lower shock mount.

I indeed got 20" for the stock ride height. My notes before I started.

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As I commented above, I'm already around 22 1/2 - 23". These springs are rated at 650 lbs... i was hoping for 2" max though. I suppose if it's closer to 3" I should consider the diff drop. I'll read-up more on that later as it has been a while...

When I installed total chaos UCAs on my Tacoma I bent the crap out of both my c clamps haha.. At the time I didn’t know about the special c clamp for ball joints. For future reference if you put those metal pucks in the freezer before install they go in a heluva lot easier. Progress looks great man, when do we get to see a pic with the new rims/tires?!?

Good to hear from you! It has been a while. Hope you are well. As I recall you were soon to be a parent, so that might explain the absence...

I used C-clamps before, but on smaller items. It was definitely bending. Sort of scary with all that stored energy.

You might have missed it, but the new tires are on the wheels.

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Good reminder on the freezer! Makes for contraction. And, heating the female end that receives it expands the opening...

With today being a work day, I didn't have much time to wrench, but I was able to set the adjustments on the LCAs. I took some time familiarizing myself with their movement. I found this on the forum.

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Per the "instructions" noted earlier, the fronts should be turned inward to the max, and the rears outward to the max. The bolt head is a 22mm and the adjustment nut 19mm...

I put a small piece of tape to help me better see the movement.

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Yes, they are rusty, but work very well. Tim put plenty of anti seize on the threads, so I won't be replacing them. I will remove the rust at some point though...

For the front adjusters, I found that I got the max when the hole was in the furthest outward location, here on the driver side, at 3 o'clock.

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Passenger side.

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I noticed the same with the rears, which made feel good that I got them maxed-out. No photos of the rear adjusters...

The torque specs on these is 96 ft-lbs. For the fronts, no problem as the bolt heads are right there, easily accessible with a torque wrench and socket (22mm). For the rears, the steering rack prevents access. Looks like with an extension and boot removal one could get in there. I decided a different method...

I slowly torqued the fronts to spec, after first using this wrench. The torque wrench was a check of sorts.

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With that wrench, I found that I could muster about 105 ft-lbs on the upswing using gloves. If i took the gloves off and I delivered about 100 ft-lbs (pain tolerance). On the down swing, I needed gloves to get 100 ft-lbs (I'm not that heavy). So, I used that knowledge to do the rears! Driver side rear bolt no gloves (upswing), passenger side gloves (downswing). Gut-busting. The joys of wrenching. I feel confident on the torque applied.

I will next attempt camber with the top nut on the SPC UCAs. I suppose I could put on the new wheels/tires, but if the alignment is poor, I'd rather not chew them up. We shall see...
 
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You should get the Toytech diff drop kit installed even if you are at 2" imo. It costs $30 and takes < 30 minutes to install.
 
Yes that's the one.

I think the stock skid plate works with a diff drop spacer. I first installed my SS 1.2 which included a diff drop spacer. Then I put the stock skid plate back on. The instructions for the SS 1.2 kit include a small amount of grinding in the center of the inside stock skid for it to fit on. Then after about 2 years I upgraded to an aftermarket skid plate.

Installing an aftermarket skid plate and winch will sag your front end. Just give it time. The winch plus line and skids should add 90 lbs easy. All of that weight is right on the front of your truck.

With my 600 lbs coils I've already added over 3/4" gain in turns to crank them up over the defaults and I still don't sit as high as I did with my Bilstein lift. I don't sit as high as even the average 3rd gen aftermarket lift. It is more flexible to be able to simply back down a bit then to keep cranking them up and up. I worry if I tried to go higher (again) that the ride would go to crap. Maybe it wouldn't. Who knows. My 1" BL helps with the clearance but that's all.
 
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Yes that's the one.

I think the stock skid plate works with a diff drop spacer. I first installed my SS 1.2 which included a diff drop spacer. Then I put the stock skid plate back on. The instructions for the SS 1.2 kit include a small amount of grinding in the center of the inside stock skid for it to fit on. Then after about 2 years I upgraded to an aftermarket skid plate.

Installing an aftermarket skid plate and winch will sag your front end. Just give it time. The winch plus line and skids should add 90 lbs easy. All of that weight is right on the front of your truck.

With my 600 lbs coils I've already added over 3/4" gain in turns to crank them up over the defaults and I still don't sit as high as I did with my Bilstein lift. I don't sit as high as even the average 3rd gen aftermarket lift. It is more flexible to be able to simply back down a bit then to keep cranking them up and up. I worry if I tried to go higher (again) that the ride would go to crap. Maybe it wouldn't. Who knows. My 1" BL helps with the clearance but that's all.

Thanks for the confirmation.

While doing some reading, I found this expressed concern about installing a diff drop, fluid starvation. Will try to find more on that topic. If you have any thoughts, please do share...

1" diff drop Q's

Thanks Brian.
 
The torque specs on these is 96 ft-lbs. For the fronts, no problem as the bolt heads are right there, easily accessible with a torque wrench and socket (22mm).
Get the upper a-arm set where you think it will be best and torqued. Set them to max caster you can get while keeping the camber near 0 (maybe slightly negative) - don't worry about the torque. The lower arm cams should both be adjusted by a good alignment shop, so it will be on them to torque them. (oh, and the tech probably won't use a wrench... just make sure there they are about two grunts tight while you are watching ;):)

-Charlie
 
Get the upper a-arm set where you think it will be best and torqued. Set them to max caster you can get while keeping the camber near 0 (maybe slightly negative) - don't worry about the torque. The lower arm cams should both be adjusted by a good alignment shop, so it will be on them to torque them. (oh, and the tech probably won't use a wrench... just make sure there they are about two grunts tight while you are watching ;):)

-Charlie

First laugh of the day Charlie, thank you. I must admit that I'm bit sore today. Generating a 100 ft-lbs with that 22mm wrench took a fair amount of effort...

With the SPC upper arms at the "G" setting, that makes for max wheel well clearance. The adjustments made on the LCA's bolts are to maximize caster in that "G" setting above. From the experience of others, this will likely get caster in the 1.5 to 2.2 range. Those settings are done.

I located my angle finder. Actually a couple of them. Refreshing to find tools for once. I now need to find some stock to cut just long enough to traverse the 17" rims. For a flat and level surface, I think I'll drive the nose of the 4Runner into the garage. I should be able to go far enough for these purposes...

Oh, I'm working off of this from the aforementioned Bandit Runner.

Well, I finally got my alignment the way it should be. This is what I had to do:

Step 1: Set the SPC UCA's to "G" setting. This basically gives you the same amount of clearance to the firewall that you had with the OEM UCA's. Do this yourself, because the alignment shop won't have a clue.

Step 2: Maximize positive caster by adjusting all 4 LCA cams bolts.
- Both rear cams pushed outward as far as possible
- Both front cams pulled inward as far as possible
You can easily do this yourself also. Just loosen the nuts, turn the cam bolts, and re-tighten the nuts.

Step 3: Raise the front of vehicle and adjust camber, by adjusting the bolt in the slot at top of UCA. Do this yourself. The alignment shop won't want to mess around with this. It is easy to do, just takes some time. All I needed was a tape measure, level, and some trigonometry (an angle finder would have been easier, but I didn't have one). This does take some trial and error. You have to measure camber, raise the vehicle, adjust the bolt in the slot, lower the vehicle, roll it back-and-forth to let it settle, and re-measure. Repeat until you get it right. It took me 2 tries to get the passenger side right, and 4 tries for the driver side. Tighten top ball joint nut to 150 ft-lbs.

Step 4: Now bring it to the alignment shop. Have them tweak the camber if needed and set the toe. My crude setting of the camber was actually in spec, so all they had to do was set the toe.

If you perform these steps you will maximize the firewall clearance, and at the same time, get the most positive caster possible. I got 1.6 degrees caster on one side and 2.2 degrees on the other. The truck drives great like this.
 
Did quite a bit more reading, and I ordered a diff drop kit. I went with the Sonoran Steel one. It costs about 20 bucks more, i know. i like that the spacers are tapered. Steve said that I should have them by early next week. I contacted Tim at RCI and he said that my front skid should not need any modifications. Thanks again Brian.

I currently have the front of the 4Runner is the garage. A quick check with an angle finds indicates that I have a little over 1 degree of positive camber on each side. I thought of correcting it now, but i'm going to wait. I'll let it settle some more, and revisit this after I install the diff drop. Speaking of which, with the front tires on a very level and flat surface (garage floor), I'm now getting 22 1/2" on the passenger side, and about 22 1/4" on the driver side. I'm growing more positive that I won't need to adjust these downward. Another "thank you" to Brian for recommending the 650 # springs.
 
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Got the Sonoran Steel diff drop on Sat. I like how the spacers are tapered, probably not seen here...

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Had some time today, and got it installed and removed the rust from those cam adjusters...

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I noticed what looks to be CV axle grease, on each side. Damn.

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I imagine this is lift related?

EDIT/ADD: After reading-up last night, there are plenty of threads about this happening after lifts. I'll check again later today, but I believe the boots are not torn or ruptured. It seems that the grease was simply pushed passed the clamps.
 
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Yep, would assume it's normal as the boot and everything get used to it's new position in life. If have it on mine after the lift too. Interestingly, my passenger side inner boot is missing the clamp. Not as much grease has come out of that side as the driver side with the clamp. Seems to have tapered off now. Probably means they'll explode :cry2:
 
Love this build!

Did you end up cutting out the spare tire cross member? (see image) I would assume so and would think a frame mounted rear bumper such that you have would be sufficiently stiff to make up for it's removal, structurally speaking.

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Yep, would assume it's normal as the boot and everything get used to it's new position in life. If have it on mine after the lift too. Interestingly, my passenger side inner boot is missing the clamp. Not as much grease has come out of that side as the driver side with the clamp. Seems to have tapered off now. Probably means they'll explode :cry2:

Not sure if normal with a lift, but safe to say not abnormal. Many threads here with such post lift experiences... I have driven just under 10 miles with the lift, and have lost very little grease. I'm going to clean it up in a bit. With the diff drop installed yesterday, maybe that will help. I found this and might give it a try.

Stretch your CV boots

Tim performs this stretch in this video, starting around the 30 minute mark.

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Love this build!

Did you end up cutting out the spare tire cross member? (see image) I would assume so and would think a frame mounted rear bumper such that you have would be sufficiently stiff to make up for it's removal, structurally speaking.

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Thanks for the kind words. For a year or so it was a maintenance thread, so it has finally become a build one... Like what you are doing as well. I can relate to the cleaning and rust prevention for sure. Being in CA, I realize that I'm being anal though....

Yes, cross-member gone. Just found it here, post #462

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I feel that there is rigidly gained with aftermkt rear bumper, and I knew I was going to put something in place of that cross-member that would help, possibly even improve upon the frame's rigidly back there...

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I just got a 1.3 gallon emergency water supply that I will keep in there too, in addition to the 4+ gallon fuel storage, tool and recovery bags.
 
my boots shat themselves as well when i first got the truck running. the PO had put the lift on but never got it running so the first time i drove it about 40 miles the grease was everywhere.
 
my boots shat themselves as well when i first got the truck running. the PO had put the lift on but never got it running so the first time i drove it about 40 miles the grease was everywhere.

Thanks chiming-in. Seems rather commonplace. So.... did you end-up re-booting, perform the stretch, just get a new axle, nada?
 

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