Umm..did I receive the correct LBJ bolts?

[thegipper]

I did not replace my LBJ bolts either. Mine were still perfectly fine and the FSM did not say they had to be replaced.

Just for shits and grins the other week, I grabbed my torque wrench to make sure they were still tight to spec, they were.

I did not use locktite either on them for what its worth.

 

[nobb]

I've never seen any official Toyota recommendation on the need to change these bolts. If they had to be changed, they would be marked with a diamond on the attached diagram. They are not. Do you have a contrary source other than paranoid posters?

Toyota doesn't even spec threadlocker for these. If they did, it WOULD be non-reusable as Toyota only uses one-time pre-applied microcapsule threadlocker.

http://tacoma.site40.net/4Runner_96-02_Repair&Wiring/techinfo.toyota.com/ileaf/02toyrm/02toypdf/02rmsour/2002/024runne/sa/flbj/comp.pdf

My bad, it appears you are right.

That being said, these are still a critical bolt and for piece of mind I would not fault anyone for replacing these. I'm guilty of reusing these anytime I'm pulling the LBJs off (eg. To get at the CV joint), but I will make a judgement call in replacing these if I see they are in poor condition.

 

[StreetCreeper]

Well so far nobody has offered a convincing or even-unconvincing reason I can't use these bolts.

I will be the first to admit I am paranoid about some things like when it comes to the safety of my wife and 3 kids. If I were 20 and single I wouldn't give two shits about these bolts. But I'm not...

As for reusing them, last time I wasn't as aware of how critical these LBJs were and I can't recall for sure what bolts I used last time. I honestly don't remember if I reused the old bolts along with some new ones or not. So I'm not taking chances with them. I didn't have to replace the LBJs either but I wanted to because the peace of mind is worth more than the money or time to install them.

So for me it makes sense to replace the little bolts that keep my wheel on at 70 mph. Especially since the bolts have been shown to sheer off. $10 is cheap insurance in my oppinion.

(Also not implying that those who aren't paranoid or didn't replace the bolts — don't care about their wife and kids... Hahaha am just confirming I am in-fact a paranoid weirdo)

 

[jgue467]

The toyota oem lbjs come with a new castle nut and cotter pin.

I suspect strongly if toyo felt the need to replace the 4 bolts also they would have included them along with the new castle nut. What say gents, make sense (aside from the rust belt, damaged ones)? But yeah cheap enough for the retentives among us to just go ahead and replace. :cowboy:

 

[johnbyebye]

I bought 'em along with the oem LBJ's and plan on replacing all of them just for peace of mind. 90080-10066 were the ones I bought.

 

[StreetCreeper]

The toyota oem lbjs come with a new castle nut and cotter pin.

I suspect strongly if toyo felt the need to replace the 4 bolts also they would have included them along with the new castle nut. What say gents, make sense (aside from the rust belt, damaged ones)? But yeah cheap enough for the retentives among us to just go ahead and replace. :cowboy:

Your logic is sound but I'm not sure Toyota intended these trucks to outlive the LBJs. If they had, the LBJs would be on a maintence schedual for replacement like other parts I would think. But like you mentioned, the bolts are cheap enough to just replace if it matters to people.

I know this is all splitting hairs, but that's what forums are for in my opinion; sitting around talking shop about the nuances of this part or that part or the benefits of this mod or that mod. Learning basically.

 

[amalik]

I know this is all splitting hairs, but that's what forums are for in my opinion; sitting around talking shop about the nuances of this part or that part or the benefits of this mod or that mod. Learning basically.

Every day/week/month/year I'm on T4R and other online forums, you slowly realize it's the same information repeated 100 million different ways and times

:banana::flamewar:

 

[ToyotaBrah]

Well so far nobody has offered a convincing or even-unconvincing reason I can't use these bolts.

I will be the first to admit I am paranoid about some things like when it comes to the safety of my wife and 3 kids. If I were 20 and single I wouldn't give two shits about these bolts. But I'm not...

As for reusing them, last time I wasn't as aware of how critical these LBJs were and I can't recall for sure what bolts I used last time. I honestly don't remember if I reused the old bolts along with some new ones or not. So I'm not taking chances with them. I didn't have to replace the LBJs either but I wanted to because the peace of mind is worth more than the money or time to install them.

So for me it makes sense to replace the little bolts that keep my wheel on at 70 mph. Especially since the bolts have been shown to sheer off. $10 is cheap insurance in my oppinion.

(Also not implying that those who aren't paranoid or didn't replace the bolts — don't care about their wife and kids... Hahaha am just confirming I am in-fact a paranoid weirdo)

Paranoid, single, without kids weirdo checking in. I guess that owners like you and I approach maintenance on a vehicle a little differently than others. I just feel that it only makes sense to replace these bolts because of the critical role they play in holding the front wheels to the hub.


I wish I could answer your question, but I am as confused on you on this. I ended up getting the 90080-10066 bolts with loctite and calling it a day. 7,000 miles later, no problems whatsoever from them. They're still threaded tight.

 

[Merninater]

If it were me, I'd torque the bolts to 59 ft lbs like the previous years. There's inconsistencies galore in the FSM and I bet they made a mistake.

So I am installing the bolt/washers in my 02' currently. Is there definite answer whether I should go with the 37 ft/lbs or 59 ft/lbs?

 

[mtbtim]

So I am installing the bolt/washers in my 02' currently. Is there definite answer whether I should go with the 37 ft/lbs or 59 ft/lbs?

59 ft-lbf is correct. When you look at the size of the bolt and the part it's holding onto the rig, 37 ft-lbf is way too light. The FSM makes mistakes. You can't just blindly follow it without using some common sense. The worst mistake I've seen so far is telling people to tighten the small 3rd member nuts to 50-something ft-lbf when the correct spec is 18 ft-lbf. If people followed that spec, they'd be stripping a whole lot of nuts and studs.

 

[StreetCreeper]

So I am installing the bolt/washers in my 02' currently. Is there definite answer whether I should go with the 37 ft/lbs or 59 ft/lbs?

I went to 59# using the bolts w/washers — no problems so far.

 

[Scramble]

If you're replacing your LBJ's it'd be stupid not to replace these 4 bolts with bolt stretch over 15-20 years. Would I replace these bolts if I didn't replace the LBJ? No. I disconnected my LBJ when replacing my CV axle & I reused the 4 bolts because they were only a year old. If I remove the 4 bolts again for some reason I will replace them because I wouldn't feel safe stretching them for a 3rd time.

 

[Lastplace]

Great, here I am sitting on my couch thinking all is good and I find this thread. I replaced my daughters’s LBJs a couple months ago. I used the original 8 bolts. They seemed to be in good condition, I guess I’ll order replacements.

 

[SupaSupra]

Great, here I am sitting on my couch thinking all is good and I find this thread. I replaced my daughters’s LBJs a couple months ago. I used the original 8 bolts. They seemed to be in good condition, I guess I’ll order replacements.

I replaced my LBJ and used the original bolts. I wheel my truck a good amount, and they haven't backed out.

 

[octanejunkie]

I replaced my LBJ and used the original bolts. I wheel my truck a good amount, and they haven't backed out.

The concern is not only that they may back-out, there's loctite for that, but they could also possibly snap.

Bolts stretch over time. Stretched by the clamping force applied (torque) when initially fastening and due to heat, abuse and time, they may not hold with the same clamping force the second time around as they did when they were new. Some folks that reuse bolts torque them more trying to accommodate for stretch, but without knowing the metallurgical properties of the bolt, this practice is potentially irresponsible.

Many will say once a bolt is stretched (due to clamping force torque) it is no longer "in spec" due to stretch, often imperceptible to the eye. Even measuring with a micrometer may not show much stretch on a used bolt vs brand new, the used bolt would be longer, but with the cost of these bolts (less than $1 each) and your life possibly at stake (is your life worth $8?) it's an easy decision for many to choose to replace these 8 bolts.

Sorry for the long answer.

 

[TonyB66]

I've been in situations before, with other vehicles, where I replaced bolts all the time, for the reasons explained here, Mike just above. There's been some rather detailed analysis performed with some rather sophisticated equipment, that can be quite compelling actually.

Given that many are replacing the LBJ for safety reasons, and I'm now pondering such sooner as opposed to later, I'd be inclined to replace the bolts too. They are not exactly price prohibitive...

That all said, there have been times in the past where I have not replaced bolts that I otherwise would have because there were concerns about the newer replacements being produced. I forgot the ride, but the bolt purchased at the dealership was markedly lighter (and was, per scales), just felt less substantial than the original one.

A few were sacrificed or torqued to failure (snapped), and they did so consistently with less torque than the original bolt's failure point. Rather eye-opening and made a few us reconsider the blind practice of bolt replacement. Just a caveat...

 

[Lastplace]

Picked up my new LBJ bolts from the local dealership. They appear to be the correct 90080-10066.

 

[Kelevra1]

Well, I guess I am paranoid. I just purchased new LBJ's for my Limited. I bought the bolts too. For 10 bucks, it is cheap insurance like others have said.
BTW, I am not faulting anyone who reuses them, its just not for me.

 

[JKD]

Well I hate to bump an olde thread but since I just did this, my 2001 truck has the following (from new):

90080-10066 Flange Bolts

For all 8 LBJ bolts and I intend to order/replace with same ones that came off (currently re-using old bolts.)

The guide at ToyotaPartsDeal says neither are suitable for my vehicle (by VIN number) nor does Camelback Toyota confirm a fit for either, so go figure....

 

[BKyota]

The bolts you got are for years 2001 and 2002. You obviously have a 3rd Gen between the years 1996-2000. There's two different part numbers for the 3rd Gen years and here they are:
1996-2000 use a flanged bolt Part #90080-10066
2001-2002 use a bolt and washer (it's a little longer than the bolts for 96-00) Part #90119-10933.

Here's a video I did for my LBJ replacement and hopefully you'll find it helpful



To Further complicate the matter, I just placed an order for bolts for my 2001, part # 90119-10933, thought I was good, the dealership I ordered from said based on my VIN that I actually need bolt with part #90105-10505. I’m so confused.