I Thought It Was A Rubber Traffic Pole....It was Metal :(.

[Bayou_Pro]

Correct. The car complied with the standard, but nobody seems to understand the regs. They seem to remember the old pre-crumple zone standards of the 70's. The link above is a PDF to the reg.

You're an engineer or an attorney huh?

 

[tjnptel1]

You need a steel bumper,you'll laugh and traffic cones will cry when you go on your next rampage.

in this case, i don't think even a steel bumper would have helped him. Actually, I believe if he had a steel bumper, he would have had more damage than the plastic bumper.

 

[CavPro]

This is what happens when you assume something without checking.

I was in a parking lot and a douche next to me parked at an angle that made it difficult to reverse. I decided to go forward. There was a pole that looked EXACTLY like a floppy traffic pole, even bent the same way.

Then CRAAACK. My front bumper was messed up.

Luckily a little duct tape did the job.

Anyone have a spare silver Front lower bumper setup? Thanks in advance.

Zip-tie stitch it in the meantime.

YouTube

 

[Hans Moleman]

If anyone ever watches dash cam videos on Youtube, you would swear that the average driver is dumber than a box of rocks.

 

[Brick Sprickly]

Good thing I wasn't in church when I read your comment. The volume of my laugh would not have been appropriate.

Are people often on their phones in church?

 

[Brick Sprickly]

...you would swear that the average driver is dumber than a box of rocks.

Like George Carlin said: “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”

 

[LandCruiser]

I'll take a truck that self destructs itself with crumple zones in a high speed accident I can walk away from over a tank that will transfer all of the kinetic energy to my soft human bits in a 25mph accident. I like my brains, organs, bones, and aorta.

 

[CavPro]

I'll take a truck that self destructs itself with crumple zones in a high speed accident I can walk away from over a tank that will transfer all of the kinetic energy to my soft human bits in a 25mph accident. I like my brains, organs, bones, and aorta.

So who's engineered and crash tested an all steel, winch loaded bumper du jour? :snacker:

 

[LandCruiser]

So who's engineered and crash tested an all steel, winch loaded bumper du jour? :snacker:

ARB bumper is crash tested.

 

[CavPro]

ARB bumper is crash tested.

Good to know, I'd like to see the test data/perimeters, and the pedestrian tests.

 

[cb1111]

ARB bumper is crash tested.

Are you sure? It can be read in different ways. Given the costs of crash testing, I find it highly unlikely that they crash tested anything.

I suspect they just looked at existing crash test data and took a wild swag at it. Like I said in the other thread, I'd be very happy to be proven wrong and if ARB tells me specifically that they crash tested a 4R with their bumper then I'll be overjoyed.

From their site:

ARB has invested heavily in vehicle crash barrier tests to validate the performance and compliance of its air bag compatible bumpers. To ensure compatibility, ARB assesses each vehicle’s frontal crush characteristics and replicates the crush rate in the design of each air bag compatible bumper and mounting system. Using this method ensures that the vehicle’s crush rate and air bag triggering are not altered when a bumper is installed.

 

[cb1111]

Good to know, I'd like to see the test data/perimeters, and the pedestrian tests.

You're kidding, right?

 

[CavPro]

You're kidding, right?

OEM Front bumper design certainly does take pedestrian contact into consideration.

 

[cb1111]

OEM Front bumper design certainly does take pedestrian contact into consideration.

Yes it does, but there is no chance in hell that any of the aftermarket stuff even thought about pedestrians.

Crash testing costs in excess of $100k plus the cost of the vehicle. Larry and Vince cost about $100k each (I remember walking down the hallway in the VOLPE center in Cambridge and seeing the new models being developed). The dummies are reusable, but the test site, electronics and expendables will cost at least $100k per test. ARB has about 4 different front bumpers so we're looking at $400k for the 4R. Then you have the same for the LC, Tundra and what not.

 

[cb1111]

I'd certainly look forward to a bumper manufacturer to chime in on this conversation.

 

[CavPro]

Yes it does, but there is no chance in hell that any of the aftermarket stuff even thought about pedestrians.

My point all along.

 

[cb1111]

My point all along.

Then there is the question of the crumple zones - even if by some fluke the airbags work as intended.

 

[Swipter]

Are people often on their phones in church?

Depends on the church.

 

[Brick Sprickly]

Depends on the church.

In your church?

 

[cb1111]

Depends on the church.

Amen....