CB Radio suggestions?

[MENTION=135766]Powder_Hound[/MENTION]: This is pretty basic, sorry if it's offensive - if you already know this shit!

OK, so there are three options for wiring up the CB, or any other DC electronic device in a vehicle:

Directly to battery, through fusebox, or directly to battery via a relay. I am not going to discuss the third option because there's no reason to install a low amp device like a CB through a relay; that's more for high current drain items.

1st option is direct to battery. This is simple and straightforward. You extend the 2 wires wiring coming from the CB to about 12 feet in length using 16 or 14 ga wiring, and run the wiring through the large grommet that houses the wire loom going through the firewall high above the brake pedal area. Route it neatly to the battery and connect the red / + to the positive terminal, and the black / - to the negative terminal. Use a 5 amp ATO fuse in parallel (in line with) the positive wire as close to the battery as possible. Personally I'd remove the 2 amp glass fuse and holder that is on the end of the CB's factory wiring since there's no good reason to have 2 fuses in line. You'd need the extra 16ga wiring, an ATO fuse holder, an ATO fuse, two ring terminals for the battery connections, two butt splices to connect the factory wiring to the extension wiring, some wire ties and some electric tape.

2nd option is to the fusebox under the driver's side of the dash. Find a 10-15 amp fuse under there that is non-essential, I usually use the cigarette lighter / power outlet / power mirrors / dome light fuse or something along those lines. Also find a metal bracket in the area of the fusebox that is an obvious part of the subframe, which has a bolt installed in it already. This will be the ground. Run the red / + wire to the fusebox and the black / - wire to the ground. Make the connections with a terminal ring under the bolt for ground and a 'Mini ATO fuse tap' with appropriate sized main fuse and 5 amp mini ATO fuse (note that even though the 4R uses the low profile mini ATO fuses the "regular" ATO mini fuses will work). As above, I'd personally remove the CB's glass fuse and fuse holder since you don't need 2 fuses in line. You'd need the mini ATO fuse tap, 5 amp mini ATO fuse, ring terminal, some tape and some wire ties.

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I have my radios installed to battery, as they get maybe slightly better performance from being wired direct. I have my other electronic stuff wired to fusebox. The ground I used on my other stuff is actually not near the fusebox, it is one of the bolts that secures the parking brake cable stays to the chassis, under the console. I used this because my accessories are in the console and this was the closest good ground; however, if I were installing a CB radio I'd run the ground to the area of the fusebox along with the power wire if only to have the wiring together and neat.
 
[MENTION=135766]Powder_Hound[/MENTION]: This is pretty basic, sorry if it's offensive - if you already know this shit!

OK, so there are three options for wiring up the CB, or any other DC electronic device in a vehicle:

Directly to battery, through fusebox, or directly to battery via a relay. I am not going to discuss the third option because there's no reason to install a low amp device like a CB through a relay; that's more for high current drain items.

1st option is direct to battery. This is simple and straightforward. You extend the 2 wires wiring coming from the CB to about 12 feet in length using 16 or 14 ga wiring, and run the wiring through the large grommet that houses the wire loom going through the firewall high above the brake pedal area. Route it neatly to the battery and connect the red / + to the positive terminal, and the black / - to the negative terminal. Use a 5 amp ATO fuse in parallel (in line with) the positive wire as close to the battery as possible. Personally I'd remove the 2 amp glass fuse and holder that is on the end of the CB's factory wiring since there's no good reason to have 2 fuses in line. You'd need the extra 16ga wiring, an ATO fuse holder, an ATO fuse, two ring terminals for the battery connections, two butt splices to connect the factory wiring to the extension wiring, some wire ties and some electric tape.

2nd option is to the fusebox under the driver's side of the dash. Find a 10-15 amp fuse under there that is non-essential, I usually use the cigarette lighter / power outlet / power mirrors / dome light fuse or something along those lines. Also find a metal bracket in the area of the fusebox that is an obvious part of the subframe, which has a bolt installed in it already. This will be the ground. Run the red / + wire to the fusebox and the black / - wire to the ground. Make the connections with a terminal ring under the bolt for ground and a 'Mini ATO fuse tap' with appropriate sized main fuse and 5 amp mini ATO fuse (note that even though the 4R uses the low profile mini ATO fuses the "regular" ATO mini fuses will work). As above, I'd personally remove the CB's glass fuse and fuse holder since you don't need 2 fuses in line. You'd need the mini ATO fuse tap, 5 amp mini ATO fuse, ring terminal, some tape and some wire ties.

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I have my radios installed to battery, as they get maybe slightly better performance from being wired direct. I have my other electronic stuff wired to fusebox. The ground I used on my other stuff is actually not near the fusebox, it is one of the bolts that secures the parking brake cable stays to the chassis, under the console. I used this because my accessories are in the console and this was the closest good ground; however, if I were installing a CB radio I'd run the ground to the area of the fusebox along with the power wire if only to have the wiring together and neat.

Thank you! This was exactly what I was looking for. I wouldn't have thought to remove the fuse at the CB which makes sense. I'll probably go direct to battery as it sounds like the cleanest and quietest. I was going to try for a trip next week, but ... the financial brakes were pulled! I'll use this info down the road, but thank you again for the great explanation!!! Very helpful indeed.
 
[MENTION=135766]Powder_Hound[/MENTION]: This is pretty basic, sorry if it's offensive - if you already know this shit!

OK, so there are three options for wiring up the CB, or any other DC electronic device in a vehicle:

Directly to battery, through fusebox, or directly to battery via a relay. I am not going to discuss the third option because there's no reason to install a low amp device like a CB through a relay; that's more for high current drain items.

1st option is direct to battery. This is simple and straightforward. You extend the 2 wires wiring coming from the CB to about 12 feet in length using 16 or 14 ga wiring, and run the wiring through the large grommet that houses the wire loom going through the firewall high above the brake pedal area. Route it neatly to the battery and connect the red / + to the positive terminal, and the black / - to the negative terminal. Use a 5 amp ATO fuse in parallel (in line with) the positive wire as close to the battery as possible. Personally I'd remove the 2 amp glass fuse and holder that is on the end of the CB's factory wiring since there's no good reason to have 2 fuses in line. You'd need the extra 16ga wiring, an ATO fuse holder, an ATO fuse, two ring terminals for the battery connections, two butt splices to connect the factory wiring to the extension wiring, some wire ties and some electric tape.

2nd option is to the fusebox under the driver's side of the dash. Find a 10-15 amp fuse under there that is non-essential, I usually use the cigarette lighter / power outlet / power mirrors / dome light fuse or something along those lines. Also find a metal bracket in the area of the fusebox that is an obvious part of the subframe, which has a bolt installed in it already. This will be the ground. Run the red / + wire to the fusebox and the black / - wire to the ground. Make the connections with a terminal ring under the bolt for ground and a 'Mini ATO fuse tap' with appropriate sized main fuse and 5 amp mini ATO fuse (note that even though the 4R uses the low profile mini ATO fuses the "regular" ATO mini fuses will work). As above, I'd personally remove the CB's glass fuse and fuse holder since you don't need 2 fuses in line. You'd need the mini ATO fuse tap, 5 amp mini ATO fuse, ring terminal, some tape and some wire ties.

mfct-mini-fuse-circuit-led-fuse.jpg


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I have my radios installed to battery, as they get maybe slightly better performance from being wired direct. I have my other electronic stuff wired to fusebox. The ground I used on my other stuff is actually not near the fusebox, it is one of the bolts that secures the parking brake cable stays to the chassis, under the console. I used this because my accessories are in the console and this was the closest good ground; however, if I were installing a CB radio I'd run the ground to the area of the fusebox along with the power wire if only to have the wiring together and neat.

This is great info. Thanks for the time you spent to write it up.
 
OK, so I got the Cobra 75 to replace my Uniden 510. I liked the 510 a lot but it was inconvenient in the center console storage area (even with a remote on/off switch and an ext speaker), and it was obtrusive in the top pocket of the console by the cupholders.

Since I have some idea of what I'm doing and since I've been dicking with radios in every car I've ever owned, I felt confident enough in the 75 despite the one guy on earth who apparently thinks it's a piece of shit posting not to buy it in this thread.

I'm still waiting on a Motorola mic clip to arrive from Ebay, because I hate your typical CB mic clip; but once that arrives I'll finish up the install of the handset to the top left corner of the glove box, next to my Ham mic.

Until then, here's some pictures of the install to maybe help those of you who asked about it.

I opted to go straight to battery, mainly because I already had wiring in place from the Uniden install which ran from battery to console. Antenna wiring was in place already, as well, running the same path since my antenna is on the hood.

Connection to battery. Red / black with the opaque fuse holders is the factory wiring for my Icom ham. The yellow and brown with the black "blob" is the CB wiring; the blob is a homemade fuse holder made from two female spade connectors electrically insulated from each other and the tape is around it to secure the 7.5A ATO fuse.

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Wiring and antenna cables for both radios (6 wires in total) running through the firewall. For reference, if you were in the driver's seat with your left foot on an imaginary clutch pedal, this hole would be 6 inches above your left toes. There is enough room in the existing rubber to make a small slice and feed in a large connector - a PL259 goes through no problem. You could opt to wrap these wires with split tubing but I see no need to do so.

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This is the underside of the slip on 'trunk' mount for the antenna that I am using on the hood. The black wire in center is the coax for the antenna, the black wire on right is a ground. You can see that I removed one set screw and replaced it with a bolt, then added a nut under the bolt to separately secure the ground wire. The other end of the ground wire goes to... ground. It is attached to an existing bolt hole on the chassis. The hood is sort of electrically insulated from the chassis because of nylon bushings and the like. There is some connection but not reliable enough to call it a ground, so if you don't run a separate ground like I did you'll have poor SWR.

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This is the guts of the Cobra 75. I mounted it in a recess by the passenger seat rear bracket closest to the center of the truck. I used 'hook' velcro on the bottom and just tucked it into the recess and pressed it to the carpet. Bam. Installed. The antenna coax and power wires run under the console and to battery. I know in an above post I said I would install it under the fascia of the console / cupholder area... but what can I say, I'm lazy, and this was close to the already laid power and antenna coax. It's concealed when the seat is slid back (shown slid fully forward). I also kept all the factory wiring in place because I tend to swap things out a lot, and this way the wiring is not cut, making the unit returnable or resalable.

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I am installing the mic on the passenger side of the dash, and to run it there I am going under the passenger side of the console, between the bottom of the console and the carpeting. In order to do this, I had to 'unwind' some of the mic cable to make it straight. The way to do this is to unspool it and tape or wire tie it to a piece of wire coat hanger, then let it sit in the sun for a while to form it 'straight'. It's not pretty, but it will be out of sight anyway. By doing this, you basically get a longer cord that can be used to tuck away out of sight, maximizing the amount of stretch that the exposed portion of the cord has.

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This is a temporary mock up; once my Motorola mic clip arrives I will build a slim double mic hanger that will mount using the existing bolt holes from my Ham mic, so as to keep from drilling yet more holes....sigh...

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Really looking into the CBI antenna mount. Just worried about clearance issues. It's down to that one and the diamond k400


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I just added 2 more pics above :)

Do you have a link to the mount you attached to your hood? And also, A pics with the antenna installed?

Thanks again. CB is on order.
Just installed a setup in my buddies 16 Tacoma. Easy with a truck bed!
And the 75 worked perfect! Didn't even need to tune with an swr.
 
Another similar to the Cobra 75 that has fairly decent review, Midland 75-822. No junction box, can be used as a hand held with batteries and can use an external antenna and external power.

5 Best CB Radios - Aug. 2016 - BestReviews

The Midland is a better idea on paper than it is in reality.

You have to make antenna connection and power connection in a visible location, unlike the Cobra which is designed to be hidden. It can't be direct wired unless you really modify it by buggering up the factory wiring, and the cigarette plug is flimsy and doesn't offer much reach (the wiring for that is spiraled into the antenna coax so you can't really cut it except at the very bottom, close to the cig plug). The cigarette plug on mine made shoddy contact and would creep out and turn the unit off every few miles, or if you pulled any tension at all on it - liek if you were moving the mic to your mouth to transmit. No one - maybe 5% of users - really uses a handheld CB mode so the whole transformer idea there is gimmicky. There is no provision to 'hang' the unit from the dash, all that is included is a belt clip, so you will need modifications to secure it to the dash, or just let it flop around as you drive.

I bought one a few months ago in my ongoing search for the perfect combination of size and function, and as soon as I got it out of the box I was less than impressed. I sold it almost immediately.

If you want absolute portability then I suppose the Midland is the only game in town, but if you plan on leaving the unit installed all the time - or even just leaving the base installed all the time and removing the hand unit - then the Cobra is a superior choice, especially considering that they cost the same.

But, as I touched on without really saying it a few posts above - I'm working with actual hands on experience here, and you're reading online reviews, so what do I know?
 
The Midland is a better idea on paper than it is in reality.

You have to make antenna connection and power connection in a visible location, unlike the Cobra which is designed to be hidden. It can't be direct wired unless you really modify it by buggering up the factory wiring, and the cigarette plug is flimsy and doesn't offer much reach (the wiring for that is spiraled into the antenna coax so you can't really cut it except at the very bottom, close to the cig plug). The cigarette plug on mine made shoddy contact and would creep out and turn the unit off every few miles, or if you pulled any tension at all on it - liek if you were moving the mic to your mouth to transmit. No one - maybe 5% of users - really uses a handheld CB mode so the whole transformer idea there is gimmicky. There is no provision to 'hang' the unit from the dash, all that is included is a belt clip, so you will need modifications to secure it to the dash, or just let it flop around as you drive.

I bought one a few months ago in my ongoing search for the perfect combination of size and function, and as soon as I got it out of the box I was less than impressed. I sold it almost immediately.

If you want absolute portability then I suppose the Midland is the only game in town, but if you plan on leaving the unit installed all the time - or even just leaving the base installed all the time and removing the hand unit - then the Cobra is a superior choice, especially considering that they cost the same.

But, as I touched on without really saying it a few posts above - I'm working with actual hands on experience here, and you're reading online reviews, so what do I know?

Good feedback. Thanks
 
Here is how I am running my CB antennas. This is just a test to see how it works. But if it ends up being the way I run them off road, there is an added benefit of the Firestiks keeping brush off of my windshield.
 

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Here is how I am running my CB antennas. This is just a test to see how it works. But if it ends up being the way I run them off road, there is an added benefit of the Firestiks keeping brush off of my windshield.

Damn, yours is the first later 5th gen Limited I've seen that didn't make me throw up in my mouth. Badass!
 
Do you have a link to the mount you attached to your hood? And also, A pics with the antenna installed?

Closest antenna is CB. Farthest is my 5/8 wave VHF antenna. Both are around 49" before tuning.

I'm not in love with the dual antenna look, reminds me of these hillbillies with two fat Firestiks poking out the back of their bed, but it's functional and the black color kind of blends it.

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The NMO mount is:

Tram 1246 B NMO Black Stainless Trunk Mount 17ft RG 58 PL 259 NMO Cap by W5SWL | eBay

The antenna is:

Browning BR 140 B CB Antenna 26 5MHz 30MHz NMO Mounting Black | eBay
 
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Here's my current setup. Both setup for HAM with and CB. Don't need anything crazy. Just need my cupholders:-)

Antenna pix on next reply.
 

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Here's my current setup. Both setup for HAM with and CB. Don't need anything crazy. Just need my cupholders:-)

Antenna pix on next reply.

Just so you know, your HAM loses more than 25db of signal just by having the antenna in the vehicle. Way less than ideal.
 

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